Smoking 3 cigarettes a day - OK?

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
I can tell you this, I always had a "tightness" in my chest area when I was smoking, kinda scary. In 6 weeks that has completely disappeared and my coughing has been reduced to nil.Tell anyone NOT to get on the tobacco bandwagon, it's a mother****** to get off it..

nicotine among other things is a vascular constrictor. and all it's metabolites are carcinogens. causes massive oxidative stress.

Nicotine isn't carcinogenic at all.

.." all it's metabolites are carcinogens".

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: MastaTam

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

How is it "the key"? Everything in moderation, maybe 3 cigs a day is pushing it. But I've never had my doctor raise an eyebrow at my 1 or 2 cigs every couple days.

In the interest of time, he probably thought it wasn't worth it to try to convince you to completely stop smoking. He has to balance what little time he has with your more pressing issues. That's not to say that he supports your smoking though. It's all about harm reduction.

Maybe you're right. They bitch at me up and down about my little huffing gerbils habit.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
3 cigs a day is fine, you inhale more carcinogens on your commute to work and back.

I can't back it up with a link but that sounds like BS to me, cigs are LOADED with carcinogens..

So are exhaust fumes.

Yes, exhaust fumes but cars are a lot cleaner than they used to be and you not gonna put you lips on a tailpipe 3 X a day are you? I wish 3 smokes a day were harmless, I still miss smoking..

Hell grilled meat has carcinogens, cleaning products in the home have em, and too much sun can cause cancer.

All true, but smoking is just pummeling you with 'em and that's the key.

How is it "the key"? Everything in moderation, maybe 3 cigs a day is pushing it. But I've never had my doctor raise an eyebrow at my 1 or 2 cigs every couple days.

How?, it's simple, your trying to compare car exhaust which is mixed with the rest of the atmosphere the moment it's expelled with a burning cig that goes directly into you lungs!. Plus you've gone from 3/day to 1 or 2 every couple of days, big difference. If you can smoke that small of an amount, more power to you but nicotine is powerful stuff, I still miss it!

 

[IGBT]

Nicotine Speeds Lung Cancer
Nicotine Plugs Directly Into Lung Cells, Tells Tumors to Grow
By Daniel J. DeNoon
WebMD Health NewsReviewed by Louise Chang, MDJuly 20, 2006 -- Nicotine directly speeds the growth of lung cancerlung cancer, University of South Florida researchers report.

Tobacco smoke contains agents that cause cancercancer. But nicotine itself isn't one of them. Instead, nicotine promotes the growth of existing cancer cells.

Exactly how nicotine does this is now becoming clear: It plugs directly into lung cells, where it jump-starts the cells' growth machinery. If those cells are cancerous, nicotine makes them grow wildly.

"These events can be expected to contribute to the growth and progression of tumors exposed to nicotine through tobacco smoke or cigarette substitutes," suggest Piyali Dasgupta, PhD, and colleagues at H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center, USF, Tampa, Fla.

Dasgupta and colleagues found that nicotine plugs into receptors called nicotinic acetylcholine receptors or nAChRs. These receptors are found throughout the body.

The finding may help explain why chemotherapy for breast cancerbreast cancer is less effective in smokers and why cigarette smoke helps many different kinds of cancer grow.

The study appears in the August issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Eli
That's ridiculous. Tell your friend he is an idiot.

Edit: People are agreeing with said friend? WTF?

It doesn't matter how fast your lungs rejuvenate. You are being exposed to carcinogens. If you have genes that make you prone to lung cancer, this is not a good thing.

Yes, there are plenty of carcinogens in the air.. That doesn't matter. Now said person is exposed to the carcinogens in the air + the amount that 3 cigarettes/day produce.

This isn't rocket science.

BFT.

3 cigarettes a day is sufficient to damage the cilia in the lungs, which makes you more prone to respiratory tract infections.

3 cigarettes a day dumps tar into your lungs that would not otherwise be there.

Taking a draw on a cigarette is much worse than breathing in second hand smoke.

 

[mattpegher]

Given that we have a decline in respiratory function over time any chronic exposure, be it that of a firefighter, hay baler, pigeon keeper or light smoker will cause significant decline over time.

Decline over time of lung function

There is no scientific studies that state that light smoking is equivelent to non-smoking.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
3 cigs a day probably wouldn't cause any serious problems, but it's plenty to get an addiction going that will make it hard to keep that limit. If you don't need more than that you might as well not smoke. Still, you're trying to slant things a bit by listing how many cigarettes that makes over the course of 20 years. I'm willing to bet that you'd be shocked by the number and amounts of other more toxic things than cigarettes the human body would likely be exposed to in the same time.

Fail.

The risk of cardiovascular disease increased by 64% by smoking 3 cigarettes a day, and was doubled by smoking a pack (20 cigarettes) a day.

The America Cancer Society - Cancer Prevention Study II, 1982

3 Cigarettes-A-Day Double A Woman's Risk For Cancer

The Copenhagen City Heart Study. E. Prescott, H. Scharling, M. Osler, et al., J Epidemiol Community Health, 2002, vol. 56, pp. 702--706

I'm sure there is more evidence, use google.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: MastaTam
Oops my bad. You can google scholar for the article, but it's pretty long and intense paper. I have the pdf if anyone wants it. Anyway, here is the pertinent part:

INTERHEART showed that smoking 1-5 cigarettes daily increases the risk of an AMI by 40%. This could cancel the beneficial effects of secondary prevention, such as aspirin, which reduces risk by 20%; it could also eliminate as much as 75% of the benefit of taking a statin. The risk increased with the amount of tobacco smoked per day (OR 9.2 in those who smoke > 40 cigarettes per day). All forms of tobacco, including filtered and nonfiltered cigarettes, pipes and cigars, and chewing tobacco, are harmful. Dr. Yusuf strongly advocates, in congruence with the official position of the ESC, that global policies for tobacco control should be implemented.

And I do believe the Lancet is a reputable journal?

That goes against some studies I've read on Swedish snus(my tobacco choice). With regards to snus, your chance of a heart attack is the same as it is with a non smoker, but if you do have a heart attack, you have a greater risk of death.

I'm curious to know if the stats listed in your paper are regarding a first heart attack, or for a second(or more) occurrence.

Lancet >>>>>> swedish-snus

 

[shortylickens]

I dont think I know anybody with the willpower to only use 3 of those a day. Once you get into the habit its too hard to keep it small. The average person is probably closer to a whole pack per day than just 3.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I like the argument "Well if you go out and huff a can of paint for a hour you take in more carcinogens than a carton of cigs." "So that being the case my pack a day habit is ok."

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

repost

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Lancet >>>>>> swedish-snus

You do realize there's other publications than Lancet, right? As much as you'd like to think so, the UK isn't the center of the world ;^)

 

[paulney]

I started out with 2 cigars a month, and now, half a year later, I'm chain smoking 24 cigars a year

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: paulney
I started out with 2 cigars a month, and now, half a year later, I'm chain smoking 24 cigars a year

Before our tobacco shop went out of business, I was smoking three to five $5-13 stogies a week. I'd skip lunch so I could afford them. :laugh:

 

[zCypher]

I found it easier to quit weed than cigars... Although neither were difficult. It's habitual. If you take control of your habits they have nothing on you. I was smoking a pack every couple of days (20 cigars), I stopped cause I decided to start going to the gym.

I would smoke again. I kinda feel like having a cigar actually.

 

[The Domfather]

I study done in 2005 showed significant consequences in longterm cigartette smoking. 23,521 men and 19,201 women, aged 35–49 years, screened for cardiovascular disease risk factors in the mid 1970s and followed throughout 2002. In both sexes, smoking 1–4 cigarettes per day was associated with a significantly higher risk of dying from ischaemic heart disease and from all causes, and from lung cancer in women. Smoking control policymakers and health educators should emphasise more strongly that light smokers also endanger their health.

 

[Pheran]

Sigh. I refer you to this thread and still think it's a good idea.

 

[Modular]

Welcome to the forums and thanks for the 3 year old thread I guess.

 

[Broheim]

 

[Away]

Good job on bumping a three year old thread with your first post. Here's a gold star for you.

 

[dmcowen674]

Smoking 3 cigarettes a day - OK?

One of my buddies claims that he read an article that said 3 cigarettes a day is not bad for human beings. He claimed the rejuvenation process of our lungs could adequately offset the effects of 3 cigarettes a day; as if there was no real harm to be done by 3 cigarettes a day. Keep in mind, that's an average of 1,095 per year, or 21,900 over the course of 20 years.

I'm fairly certain that a set of lungs that smoked 21,900 cigarettes over 20 years would be much worse off than lungs that were never subjected to cigarette smoke and its toxins.

Has anybody read any articles about this?

Ashtray is an ashtray

I would not call him a "buddy", I'd call him either stupid or he works for the tobacco industry.

Which is it?

 

[Broheim]

Ashtray is an ashtray

I would not call him a "buddy", I'd call him either stupid or he works for the tobacco industry.

Which is it?

you shouldn't throw with stones if you're a fucking moron.