Small overdoses of Tylenol can do deadly damage

mzkhadir

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By Rachel Rettner
My Health News Daily

Taking even slightly too much Tylenol over a period of several days can lead to an overdose with deadly consequences, a new study says.

The study looked at what are called "staggered overdoses," in which a person repeatedly exceeds the daily recommendation through small overdoses. This is in contrast to the more familiar single overdose, when a person takes too many pills at once.

In the study, staggered overdoses of acetaminophen (which is found in Tylenol and other pain releivers) were more deadly than single overdoses, even though people who experienced staggered overdoses typically took smaller total amounts of acetaminophen than those who experienced a single overdose.

Doctors may not identify staggered overdoses right away, researchers added. People with a staggered overdose may have levels of the drug in their blood below what a standard blood test would indicate as an overdose, even when their liver is badly damaged.

People taking acetaminophen should stay within the recommended limits of the drug and take even less of it when they are on other painkillers, said study researcher Kenneth Simpson of the University of Edinburgh in Scotland. The researchers defined an overdose as taking more than 4,000 milligrams of acetaminophen in a 24 hour period. The Food and Drug Administration also sets the maximum dose at 4,000 milligrams.

And, Simpson said, doctors should realize the criteria used to identify overdose patients do not work as well for staggered overdoses.

The study was published online in the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology.

Simpson and colleagues examined information from 663 patients with liver problems caused by acetaminophen (also known as paracetamol) who were admitted to an Edinburgh hospital between 1992 and 2008.

The researchers found that nearly a quarter of them (161 patients) had taken staggered overdoses.

On average, staggered overdose patients took 24 grams (24,000 milligrams) of acetaminophen, typically over several days. Single-overdose patients consumed 27 grams (27,000 milligrams) at once, or six times the recommended dose for a whole day.

A total of 60 patients died from a staggered overdose, and 140 patients from a single overdose. This equates to a mortality rate of 37.3 percent among the staggered overdose group, and 27.8 percent in the single overdose group. Staggered overdose patients also were more likely to have liver and brain problems, require kidney dialysis and need help with breathing.

Close to 60 percent of the staggered overdose group said they had taken the drug to relieve pain, including abdominal or muscular pains, headache or toothache.

During a staggered overdose, the drug likely builds up in the liver and kills the cells, Simpson said.

Staggered overdose patients may have fared less well because they did not receive the appropriate treatment soon enough, or because they had been drinking alcohol along with acetaminophen, he said.

The new study "sheds light on the fact that the maximum recommended daily dose should be strictly adhered to," said Dr. Joshua Lenchus, an associate professor of clinical medicine at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine.

Acetaminophen also appears in combination with other drugs in certain prescription products. In January the Food and Drug Administration asked all manufacturers of acetaminophen to lower the dose in a single tablet to 325 mg. Even at this dose, people who take two tablets every four hours for 24 hours come close to the 4,000 mg limit. (Packets of regular Tylenol pills, which contain 325 mg, say: "Do not take more than 12 tablets in 24 hours.")

"It's pretty easy for people to take just a couple of tablets every four hours," Lenchus said.

Doctors need to consider the possibility of overdoses when patients come to the hospital after taking acetaminophen, even if the patients have not obviously taken many pills at once, Lenchus said.
 

bignateyk

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Who the hell consumes that much Tylenol? I don't think I've ever taken more than 4 tablets in 24 hours.
 

nickbits

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My wife works in a hospital and she said one person came into the ER because they had consumed 65g (not mg) of Tylenol. I don't know how you could physically eat that many pills.
 

mzkhadir

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this is not one time overdose, this is overdosing a little bit over time everytime.
 

SunnyD

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So, when should I expect my class action settlement check from McNeil Pharmaceutical for the amount of $2.57 for the lifetime of pain and suffering I'm going to have after having taken Tylenol maybe a half dozen times in my life?

Seriously though, I don't take Tylenol - not because of the side effects, but rather because it won't even TOUCH a simple low grade headache of mine. Never has, never will.
 

Juddog

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This is why I try to avoid products with acetominophen in them. For example Mucinex has a non-acetominophen version (basically just a decongestant plus dextromethorphan) that I take when my sinuses get too plugged. It seems like manufacturers just love to put acetominophen in almost all of the over the counter cold remedies.
 

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4 grams per 24 hour period should be considered the upper limit for a healthy adult. Acetaminophen is very hepatotoxic and even more caution should be used in older adults or those with potential liver problems. Impaired excretion could cause toxic levels at lower doses than 4 grams.
 

Dirigible

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For some things acetaminophen works. For other things ibuprofen works.

For most things ethanol works and it is thus the go-to drug.
 

bobdole369

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Yeah Tylenol is one of the worst painkillers out there (for you). It does work but I've never been tempted to take more than 2 pills a day of it. However it IS easy to sneak in to dayquil and nyquil and allergy meds.
 

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So, when should I expect my class action settlement check from McNeil Pharmaceutical for the amount of $2.57 for the lifetime of pain and suffering I'm going to have after having taken Tylenol maybe a half dozen times in my life?

Seriously though, I don't take Tylenol - not because of the side effects, but rather because it won't even TOUCH a simple low grade headache of mine. Never has, never will.

It wouldn't even be a check. It would be a coupon for $2.57 toward any fine McNeil Pharmaceuticals product.

Personally, I've avoided acetaminophen for decades due to the potential for liver issues, and I absolutely hate that they put it in unrelated medications.
 

brainhulk

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i can see this happening because so many medications have acetaminophen mixed in without most consumers knowing. cough/cold/flu preps, prescription pain meds, otc pain meds.

and pls don't take ibuprofen or other nsaids chronically as a substitute either. That is a nice way to develop a GI bleed or damage your kidney
 

Imp

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Never understood everyone's obssession with drugging up.

OMFG, I can't sleep, gon get me sum pills!

OMFG, headache, gon pop a Tylenol or 30 until I think I feel better.

OMFG, ma kiddy is da ADD, gib him developing body sum drugs!
 

foghorn67

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Never understood everyone's obssession with drugging up.

OMFG, I can't sleep, gon get me sum pills!

OMFG, headache, gon pop a Tylenol or 30 until I think I feel better.

OMFG, ma kiddy is da ADD, gib him developing body sum drugs!

Because we are all different with different tolerances. Why must this be explained to you?
 

DaTT

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Never understood everyone's obssession with drugging up.

OMFG, I can't sleep, gon get me sum pills!

OMFG, headache, gon pop a Tylenol or 30 until I think I feel better.

OMFG, ma kiddy is da ADD, gib him developing body sum drugs!

There is no way I will suffer through a migraine without some sort of narcotic pain relief. Why should I have too?