Small Claims Court question - please help

EKKC

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I have a question about the legality of something that the coop management is charging me. I'm going to set the facts straight first in cliffs format:

1) Purchased coop apartment in Queens NYC with gf nov. 2004. Maintenance bill begins.
2) Requested parking spot March 2005, a monthly charge of $80 was added to my monthly maintenance bill. No contract for garage monthly fee was ever signed.
3) Always paid on time for the next 3 years
4) Received a letter saying there has been a mistake on garage spot monthly charge. It should be $125 and will be adjusted on november 2007 bill. $80 was said to be a special rate for owners who has been living here before 1996.
5) I had no problems with that, pays bill on november 2007.
6) this past saturday I received a certified mail saying I owe them $45x32 months = $1440
7) I blew up in flames. Gf wants to burn down their offices.

I called them today trying to tell them how ridiculous this makes them look, I went off on the lady working there and then apologized to her personally but not to the offices because she only works for the office. I told her then to put herself in my shoes and see if she thinks this is reasonable. I told them what past is past, you invoice me for this much, I pay it and that's done. They cannot backbill me whenever they want. I asked her what if they come back to me next year and tell me the fee was actually $300 a month? Or what if I have been here for 10 years and the mistake has been made continuously then am I going to be held accountable for their stupid mistakes? She couldn't answer me and just says "I don't know what else to tell you" After going off on her she says the management could come up with a payment plan of some sort, but cannot take away the $1440 and this charge will begin to appear on my maintenance bill if me and my gf do not resolve it. If I do not pay the $1440 I will be charged a late fee every single month. How this is possibly legal is beyond my comprehension.

I reckon they are collecting this from me because they have my information. SSN, etc. because I own the coop. Outside renters probably does not have to give them this info. I assume they will threaten to collect this or else destroy my credit history (which is perfect)

It's not even the $1440, if it was my mistake I would pay it gladly. It's the principle.

I want to take them to small claims court, not to sue them, but to make myself safe from any collection attempts. Does anyone know if Small Claims Court would take care of a problem like this? Can the plaintiff be the one that is having their money collected? Has there been any precedence where someone being asked for money go to court as a plaintiff to safeguard himself from further charges or collection attempts? I just want a court order or intervention that claims that they are at fault, and that they cannot legally request me any amount of money for this mistake that they have made. I am not looking to sue them for any damages unless they start screwing up my credit history.

Comments? suggestions? thanks!
 

Vette73

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Pay the bill THEN sue themn in small claims court. I know that sounds bad but a women almost lost her house that way. The HOA said she owed X she said she owed X-Y. Well the court said she was right but did not pay so she had to pay back late fees and such.

So pay now but put in notice you do not agree with charges. Then send certified letter asking for money back and that the debt be declared clear. When they either don;t replay or reject it then file a claim in small claims court.
 

Codewiz

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Small Claims isn't going to help. Go talk to a lawyer. If there is precedent to tell them to go pound sand, then your lawyer can write a nice letter to explain it to them.
 

EKKC

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so you're saying i pay them this amount, then take them to SCC?

but wouldn't paying them be an admission that I agree to the charge and thus the issue resolved privately?

should i send them a letter first, before paying, saying we don't agree with the charge but we are paying because they are bullies (well, you get the idea) and they we are planning on taking this to the SCC?
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: EKKC
so you're saying i pay them this amount, then take them to SCC?

but wouldn't paying them be an admission that I agree to the charge and thus the issue resolved privately?

should i send them a letter first, before paying, saying we don't agree with the charge but we are paying because they are bullies (well, you get the idea) and they we are planning on taking this to the SCC?

Depends on the state. Here is the HOA story i was tyalking about and what the judge said...

"A woman from Pomona, Calif., who was involved in a divorce fell behind with her monthly dues. The board said she owed $1,000; she said it was less than $800, and they went to court when the board threatened foreclosure.

The woman was right -- the volunteer board's amateur accountants goofed, but the judge ruled she should have made back payments during the dispute, anyway, and the therapist was handed a $22,000 legal bill."


But yea send them a certified letter first so you have it on record that they said they would fine you if you did not pay. Make sure it is in writing and from them, not a person from their office.
 

sjwaste

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There are local procedures that deal with this, so nobody here, unless a member of the NYC Bar, can give you legal advice. So this is not legal advice.

Find a lawyer or do the research on your own at a local law library. Some areas will require that you place the funds in escrow, pending disposition by the court. Some will require you outright pay, then sue to get it back (maybe not require, but as a practical matter, have that be the best way).

Don't f yourself out of a proper remedy by staying ignorant or trusting a message board. If it's really the principle, then a couple hundred bucks on an attorney should help immensely. Otherwise you may follow some bad advice and have no recourse.
 

EKKC

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of course i am not going to trust anything 100% or rely on da intarweb. i am going to seek legal advice but was thinking ATOT is a helpful bunch (well most of the time :D)
 

DBL

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I would not pay. As far as you are concerned, you were billed $80 for 1 parking spot for for the last 32 months. You never signed a contract. They are not entitled to the money and have no proof that you agreed to pay $125.

Here is a forum you can try...or call x311.

Tenant.net
 

KK

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tell them you are going to be billing them 100 a month for exercising the flapper in the toilet. And it started 32 months ago, so they owe you 3200. Just let them know that you'll pay them the same time they pay you.

Or you can just tell them to fuck off.
 

EKKC

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Originally posted by: DBL
I would not pay. As far as you are concerned, you were billed $80 for 1 parking spot for for the last 32 months. You never signed a contract. They are not entitled to the money and have no proof that you agreed to pay $125.

Here is a forum you can try...or call x311.

Tenant.net

thanks for that site! :D
 

EKKC

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Originally posted by: KK
tell them you are going to be billing them 100 a month for exercising the flapper in the toilet. And it started 32 months ago, so they owe you 3200. Just let them know that you'll pay them the same time they pay you.

Or you can just tell them to fuck off.

i wish i could, but they have all my information since I own an apartment on the same coop building. they can royally screw my credit if they want to.
 

KK

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Originally posted by: EKKC
Originally posted by: KK
tell them you are going to be billing them 100 a month for exercising the flapper in the toilet. And it started 32 months ago, so they owe you 3200. Just let them know that you'll pay them the same time they pay you.

Or you can just tell them to fuck off.

i wish i could, but they have all my information since I own an apartment on the same coop building. they can royally screw my credit if they want to.

That would be the last thing they would want to do. If they knowingly put incorrect items on your credit report, you can sue and sue big time.