Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Xavier434
What jobs? These people don't qualify for anything. Everything requires higher education these days let alone a HS diploma which many do not even have. Most of the jobs that do not such as manufacturing are now being outsourced or replaced by automated solutions. How many McDonalds and Starbucks do you see out there begging for a larger pool of applicants because they are struggling due to a shortage?
Yes, votes and fear play a role, but what exactly do you want these politicians to do that doesn't cost you a ton of extra money to fix that is actually effective even if they didn't have such fears?
OK, let me ask you this.
What would happen is we kicked out all the illegals in this country. What would happen to the job markets.
I argue your first failing is assuming you have to have a college education to have a job. I also argue you assume everyone is entitled to have a good standard of living without one.
I contend you are creating bandaid reasons to support the rampant abuse of social programs. The first step is admitting not everyone can have a wonderful standard of living. We cant all have big houses, fast cars and high paying jobs.
Some of us will be nothing more then a broom pusher with rabbit ears at home. BUT!! They could have a home and food on the table.
After you boil down all of the hate and entitlement shit, it all boils down to a single goal and question. What can we do that creates a true and realistic impact on the improvement of personal responsibility in this country on the adults without leaving their kids with the short end of the stick? We can't leave the kids with the short end of the stick because it is only counter productive towards the success of our goal and we can't leave the parents with the short end of the stick by pulling the ground out from beneath their feat because it will trickle down more heavily upon the kids than it will the parents. The only real answer is to teach them how to do it and to start at an early age. Trying to teach an adult who has already spend at least quarter of a century following the same old downward spiral routine is not going to work through cheap budgets funding retarded workshops that these people attend once a month for an hour at best. It will be a complete waste of money.
What you can do is spend more money on teaching their kids the life skills that they need to avoid following the footsteps of their parents. I suggest adding a lot more of that stuff throughout all of the required education K-12. Hell, I even support adding a grade 13 so that we can spread out the curriculum with in K-12 in order to make more time every semester and every week to teach these gradually progressive life skills that every adult needs in order to make intelligent decisions about being personally and financially responsible? Will that be really expensive? You bet, but guess what? If you want it all then you have to expect to pay for it and it will be an investment. You go through a couple generations of kids being taught this stuff successfully and you will find them passing it on to their kids just like responsible parents of today do.
That's not enough though. We can' just teach them this stuff. They need more opportunities to get good jobs without going into ridiculous debt. College costs need to go down and we need more options aside from college. I recommend bringing back public vocational schools so that the kids who get through HS or even drop out can at least learn some kind of useful marketable skill.
Yet, that STILL isn't enough. We need to have jobs for these people. We need to bring back manufacturing to America. We need to stop all of the god damn outsourcing.
After all of that, you got the life skills, you got the education, and you got the jobs. Once all of that starts working a lot better only then will you be able to substantially reduce many of the welfare social services out there. Until then....keep living the pipe dream.
In terms of immigration problems, that's much like the relationship of education and welfare. You don't reform welfare to fix immigration. You fix immigration and then reform welfare.
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