Slowing Global Warming with Antarctic Iron

[Albatross]

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i don`t really know what to think about this..might work..might be a clusterfvck.
at least it has potential...

 

[OCGuy]

Um...didnt the ice actually grow this year?

 

[sandorski]

Interesting. Could be useful if it works, but ya, it would seem to have some risk of a major unintended side-effect.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Um...didnt the ice actually grow this year?

Not really. Only if you look at what happened superficially.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: albatross
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i don`t really know what to think about this..might work..might be a clusterfvck.
at least it has potential...

Nobody wants to try because deep down they know that Global warming is not a real issue

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Um...didnt the ice actually grow this year?

Yes. Worldwide sea ice settled at 1979 levels.

 

[Lemon law]

The danger I see in flaunting this type of an unproven theory, is that it will justify more greenhouse gasses, and then when we try to use the theory, we will discover it in deeds works, but its effects are so feeble, that its damn near worthless. Such constructs are called Psychological safeties, they tend to cause us to undertake riskier than prudent activities while we know little about its possibly very negative side effects.

 

[dmcowen674]

Nothing would matter should a supervolcano blow

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The danger I see in flaunting this type of an unproven theory, is that it will justify more greenhouse gasses, and then when we try to use the theory, we will discover it in deeds works, but its effects are so feeble, that its damn near worthless. Such constructs are called Psychological safeties, they tend to cause us to undertake riskier than prudent activities while we know little about its possibly very negative side effects.

Yup. It's like the Carbon Sequestration thing. It might work, but even before it's proven too many latch onto it as if it will solve the problem and choose to carry on with doing the damage.

Same goes for the whole "Technology" argument. Sure, the Technology might come, but it certainly won't if it's just a buzzword used to maintain the status quo. The real solution involves change on multiple fronts, from Conservation, to Research, to Elimination of Traditional Fuels. Get the ball rolling towards solving the problem, if Technology offers a way to use Traditional Fuels without contributing to the Problem, then ease up on the Elimination of that Fuel. If it does not, then you have made progress towards the solution.

It's not Rocket Science, just simple (un)Common Sense.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Um...didnt the ice actually grow this year?

sure it did...

"The navigable routes of the Northwest Passage and the Northeast Passage (over the top of Russia) were simultaneously free of ice for the first time in recorded history, while the summer of 2008 marked the third consecutive year ships could navigate the Northwest Passage without confronting sea ice."

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/s...2/30/weather-wrap.html

 

[Double Trouble]

Science can make informed guesses, but nobody has a crystal ball to know for sure what's going on with the ice. Either way, I favor curbing greenhouse emissions, since that's a good thing no matter how the GW discussion turns out in the end.

This seems like one of those ideas that could cause more harm than good even if it works, people will latch onto it as a solution when it's just a stop-gap.

 

[imported_K3N]

[start chrous]

Global warming is big fat lie a big fat lie a big fat lie
Global warming is big fat lie a big fat lie a big fat lie
Global warming is big fat lie a big fat lie a big fat lie

[end chorus]

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Nothing would matter should a supervolcano blow

Nothing would matter if some Martians came down to Earth, said Dave McOwen is the new supreme ruler of Earth, and you were able to go kill the evil "oil apologists".....

Nothing would matter if a GRB hit Earth either.

Nothing would matter if a decent sized asteroid/comet hit Earth either.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Nothing would matter should a supervolcano blow

Nothing would matter if some Martians came down to Earth, said Dave McOwen is the new supreme ruler of Earth, and you were able to go kill the evil "oil apologists".....

Nothing would matter if a GRB hit Earth either.

Nothing would matter if a decent sized asteroid/comet hit Earth either.

Eat, Drink, and be Merry before the Universe collapses in on itself!!!!

 

[Grabo]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Um...didnt the ice actually grow this year?

Yes. Worldwide sea ice settled at 1979 levels.

You sea ice I don't ( )

http://nsidc.org/sotc/sea_ice.html (The National Snow and Ice Data Center) :>

"The Arctic sea ice September minimum extent reached new record lows in 2002 (15.3 percent below the 1979-2000 average), 2005 (20.9 percent below), and 2007 (39.2 percent below). In 2007, Arctic sea ice broke all previous records by early August?a month before the end of melt season (see Arctic Sea Ice Shatters All Previous Record Lows). In 2008, the September minimum was the second lowest on record, only 9 percent above 2007, despite cooler summer conditions (see Arctic Sea Ice Down to Second-Lowest Extent; Likely Record-Low Volume)."

Sept 2008 extent : -78,000 square kms compared to 1979.

http://www.nsidc.com/data/seai...mages/N_timeseries.png = shows through dec 2008 - about the same as last year, which is absolutely nowhere near 1979.

It must be the Antarctic?

As for that : > http://nsidc.org/sotc/images/arc_antarc_1979_2007.gif
"Although Arctic sea ice extent underwent a strong decline from 1979 to 2007, Antarctic sea ice underwent a slight increase. " .

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/ > look at the graphs. Antarctic goes up slightly, Arctic goes to Greenland.

All in all it doesn't look as if total sea ice levels (Arctic + Antarctic) are anywhere near 1979 levels.

And don't even mention the 'land ice'.


This site http://climate.jpl.nasa.gov/ is also good for an overview.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: K3N
[start chrous]

Global warming is big fat lie a big fat lie a big fat lie
Global warming is big fat lie a big fat lie a big fat lie
Global warming is big fat lie a big fat lie a big fat lie

[end chorus]

Damn, even Bush has accepted the truth...

 

[XZeroII]

This theory has been tossed around for a long time and has been done elsewhere in the world. No measurable change so far.