Slow Goat: Controversial styling, high price hobble inital sales of new GTO

It's a damn shame, nice idea from the sixties executed horrendously by importing an Australian model and rebadging it as one of the most All-American musclecars ever created. Seriously, what was GM thinking? If this is the best they've got for a flagship model, I've lost faith in the company.
 

Thegonagle

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It's $33,495, but it looks like a Lumina. That's unfortunate.

I didn't realize it was that expensive. I thought it would be much more price-competitive with the Mustang and the F-bodies that came before it.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Gimme the 300C and call it a day. 300C >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pontiac GTO.

Hell yeah. I'd MUCH rather have a 300C Hemi. Hell, it's just as fast as the GTO and that's with an automatic transmission. AND it will seat more comfortable and it actually has some style to it.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Gimme the 300C and call it a day. 300C >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pontiac GTO.

Hell yeah. I'd MUCH rather have a 300C Hemi. Hell, it's just as fast as the GTO and that's with an automatic transmission. AND it will seat more comfortable and it actually has some style to it.
It's got a LOT of style to it :) GTO just looks like a grand am with a ricer-kit on it.
 

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
It's $33,495, but it looks like a Lumina. That's unfortunate.

I didn't realize it was that expensive. I thought it would be much more price-competitive with the Mustang and the F-bodies that came before it.
Seriously, sometimes I wonder about the intelligence of ANYONE at GM. The only GTOs I've seen here in Metro Detroit have had manufacturer plates on them. That alone tells me no one is buying them, even in the Motor City.

Did they honestly think taking a dated design from Holden and slapping a GTO badge on it and charging $33,000 would make people sit up and take notice?

:confused:
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: jumpr
It's a damn shame, nice idea from the sixties executed horrendously by importing an Australian model and rebadging it as one of the most All-American musclecars ever created. Seriously, what was GM thinking? If this is the best they've got for a flagship model, I've lost faith in the company.

lost faith in them long ago, the last great car they came out with short of the vette IMHO is the firebird series, however those were canned as well....
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: Thegonagle
It's $33,495, but it looks like a Lumina. That's unfortunate.

I didn't realize it was that expensive. I thought it would be much more price-competitive with the Mustang and the F-bodies that came before it.
Seriously, sometimes I wonder about the intelligence of ANYONE at GM. The only GTOs I've seen here in Metro Detroit have had manufacturer plates on them. That alone tells me no one is buying them, even in the Motor City.

Did they honestly think taking a dated design from Holden and slapping a GTO badge on it and charging $33,000 would make people sit up and take notice?

:confused:

Well, I noticed. Just not the way GM execs are hoping.
:barf;

Actually, if they just called it a "Monaro," I'd be more indifferent - "Eh, it's kinda lame, but it does have some beef."
But they call it a "GTO" and I'm flat-out disappointed.
 
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The whole project is a bit of a shame IMO.

The GTO appears to be the best new GM introduction since the C5 Corvette, and its interior looks much nicer than even the C6 Vette's. By any standard it is one of the most appealing cars sold by an American marque. It's ironic to me that GM has to import an Australian-built car to achieve this kind of fit and finish, and I can't help but think this is a partial cause of the car's cost, which is above what the market will bear, especially with the tantalizing new Mustang just around the corner.

IMO they shouldn't have called it a GTO - the name is so iconic that it creates expectations the car can't meet. This is aggravated by the bland styling. I know Bob Lutz is trying to broaden the market appeal of Pontiac by stripping off the boy-racer cladding, but it seems to me this car goes too far in the direction of conservatism, stylistically. I imagine for cost-related reasons they wanted to stay close to the original Monaro design, but the car just seems a little lifeless for a $35K halo car, especially for a performance-oriented marque like Pontiac.
 

EvilYoda

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Yeah, despite the people of Detroit loving raw power, I haven't seen many GTOs on the road...so sad.
 

Triumph

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I love the new GTO, but I agree that it wasn't executed properly. As for comparing it to a 300C... I'd still take the Goat. Goat has a better interior, 6 speed tranny, V8 that's every bit as potent (and huge aftermarket), and I don't care for the styling of the 300C.
 

XZeroII

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I like it. The only issue that I have is what was mentioned in the article. It looks bland off the shelf. They needed to make chrome wheels and hood scoops standard. They needed to give it a much tougher look. Someone around here has a Grand Prix with hood scoops and such and it looks like it would kick the crap out of any car within 10 miles. Put that hood on a GTO and it would be a force to be reconed with.
 

RagingBITCH

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Wonder how sales will be when the new Mustang hits :) Although not entirely direct competitors I bet sales will be even worse :)
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
Yeah, despite the people of Detroit loving raw power, I haven't seen many GTOs on the road...so sad.

I haven't seen ONE on the road. And I'm in So Cal! The land of expensive automobiles!

I did see a red one on a dealer lot Saturday as my wife and I drove to dinner though. It didn't look bad, just too conservative. I didn't realize they were so expensive.
 

GasX

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Gorgeous 2005 Mustang GT @ $25,000 vs. Bland Pontiac GT @ $33,000 = owned goat
 
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Good, maybe the price will come down and I will get one :)

Glass = Half-Full

I imagine these will be available deeply discounted pretty quickly. I could easily imagine them becoming a modern cult classic, like the '94-'96 Impala SS. The GTO seems like a great car; it just doesn't quite live up to its name.
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: isekii
why are these built in austrailia ?
isn't the GTO market North America?
It's a rebadged Holden Monaro (an Australian Car)
 

Modeps

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I like the new GTO, although I think they should have made it look a little bit different from the Gran Prix... other than adding that spoiler of course ;)
 

Kelemvor

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I think it's pretty bland as well. Just looks like any other car. And if it's really $33k, then hell. No way I'd touch that. And I'm a Pontiac fan. Grand Am currently, hopefully a Grand Prix when the Am dies, etc.