SLI vs Crossfire article by Ratchet over at Rage3D.

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Another pointless statement.

Every high end card is also beat by the next high end card. :roll: So you may as well wait forever.

Not if you are wanting to be current with the times and not have three cards to run two monitors.....
Besides, I wanted to use HDR + AA, but I'm not going to get into every little detail as to why I bought what I did. Fact is, several members around here agree that a single card is still one of the best values per dollar you can get. What is an X1900XT at right now? How much is a pair of 7800GT's? How much is a pair of 7900GT's even though you're only going to get about 20-30% more of performance?

As pointed out by the article if you want high end now, SLI is the only way to go. No single card can touch it.

I bet G80 and R600 could "touch" your 7900 SLI.

I'm not even sure why you came into this thread to complain about it.

Since you're simply echoing what others have to say about SLI, the same can be said about your participation as well.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: josh6079

I bet G80 and R600 could "touch" your 7900 SLI.

I checked. Still none is stock at Newegg. Do you have a link to a site selling those.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Look at you people. Arguing over stuff I would never be able to afford.

:cries;

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: beggerking
right... he might as well compare a 6600 SLI setup to his new 1900XTX and say his single ATI card runs faster than 2 NVidia cards.

Do you ever actually read or just send stuff through your "data paths" and hope what comes out makes sense?? I know, your "data paths" probably don't have the correct driver installed so what you read is all jumbled up? :roll:

Josh HAD 7800GT SLI...he then got a X1900XT(X) and liked the performance more than HIS SLI setup. That's it. Nothing to read between lines...that's all he said but some people think he's commiting blasphemy against their precious NVidia...get over it, he didn't say anything bad about NVidia cards. In the same light, I like the performance of my X1800XL compared to the Gefroce 2 MX400 I had a while back.

Jeez people, lighten up. I probably shouldn't be speaking for Josh but some people just blow everything out of proportion.

PS.Flame me all you want.

 

[akugami]

Donglephobia, the new way to tell nVidiots apart from normal folks! Now with less dongles in every fanboy!

I feel that many times, certain fanboys use a straw man argument in order to "win" their argument against whichever person is speaking rationally at the time. I mean, seriously, who in the heck has said Crossfire topped SLI in this thread or in recently in AT/Video for that matter? No one. But of course, the argument is that since SLI > Crossfire, then that must mean ATI sucks and that nVidia is more innovative than ATI. Hardly the truth since ATI has implemented features and have used some tricks in their own GPU's that outperforms and tops nVidia.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: josh6079

I bet G80 and R600 could "touch" your 7900 SLI.

I checked. Still none is stock at Newegg. Do you have a link to a site selling those.

Now who's reaching? My point is that G80 and R600 are the next generation cards coming out and when they arrive I bet they'll compare quite closely to the current X1900 crossfires and 7900 SLI.

Originally posted by: thilan29
Do you ever actually read or just send stuff through your "data paths" and hope what comes out makes sense?? I know, your "data paths" probably don't have the correct driver installed so what you read is all jumbled up?

Josh HAD 7800GT SLI...he then got a X1900XT(X) and liked the performance more than HIS SLI setup. That's it. Nothing to read between lines...that's all he said but some people think he's commiting blasphemy against their precious NVidia...get over it, he didn't say anything bad about NVidia cards. In the same light, I like the performance of my X1800XL compared to the Gefroce 2 MX400 I had a while back.

Jeez people, lighten up. I probably shouldn't be speaking for Josh but some people just blow everything out of proportion.

:thumbsup: You're spot on again.

 

[ronnn]

Wow, big win for single card ati. Better IQ and hdr with aa, nv best quit optimizing and get the g80 out or sales will continue to slide. :laugh: Hope the amd takeover falters as these 2 companies are rather entertaining with their sli tricks.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking
right... he might as well compare a 6600 SLI setup to his new 1900XTX and say his single ATI card runs faster than 2 NVidia cards.

Do you ever actually read or just send stuff through your "data paths" and hope what comes out makes sense?? I know, your "data paths" probably don't have the correct driver installed so what you read is all jumbled up? :roll:

Josh HAD 7800GT SLI...he then got a X1900XT(X) and liked the performance more than HIS SLI setup. That's it. Nothing to read between lines...that's all he said but some people think he's commiting blasphemy against their precious NVidia...get over it, he didn't say anything bad about NVidia cards. In the same light, I like the performance of my X1800XL compared to the Gefroce 2 MX400 I had a while back.

Jeez people, lighten up. I probably shouldn't be speaking for Josh but some people just blow everything out of proportion.

PS.Flame me all you want.

so whats wrong with "data path"? its a technical term and it is more correct than your beloved "driver path".

well, you spoke for "driver path", so you can't be more wrong.. keep it up.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: beggerking
so whats wrong with "data path"?

Nothing

its a technical term and it is more correct than your beloved "driver path".

:roll:

well, you spoke for "driver path", so you can't be more wrong.. keep it up.

No, he paraphrased what I was saying and he wasn't wrong.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking
so whats wrong with "data path"?

Nothing

its a technical term and it is more correct than your beloved "driver path".

:roll:

well, you spoke for "driver path", so you can't be more wrong.. keep it up.

No, he paraphrased what I was saying and he wasn't wrong.

"driver path" don't exist. its not a correct term therefore he IS wrong.

 

[akugami]

Interestingly enough, google turns up 31,300 hits for something that doesn't exists.

 

[beggerking]

look closer. "driver's path" or "driver, path" etc

The correct term is "data" path, not driver path.

 

[fierydemise]

Why don't you guys take this pathetic bickering to PMs and let this thread get back on topic.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: beggerking
look closer. "driver's path" or "driver, path" etc

The correct term is "data" path, not driver path.

OMG, We don't need more of your ramblings of what you think is real or not. You're above quote is nothing but an opinion and does no good to try to educate other members when they at least know the difference between hardware and software. If you want to continue that off topic bs, why don't you PM those you wish to speak with, because no one here wants to see you make a fool of yourself again. (Or maybe they do)

As far as what IS on topic, SLI>Crossfire as far a s ease of use and support. No one was ever debating this and all the article really shows is more evidence that suggest what we already know. I suspect once ATI's method becomes more like SLI, and as the technology itself gets older, we will probably see more support for it--unless the game itself is a TWIWMTBP title that doesn't want to officially support the ATI dual-GPU setup. It is good to hear that the 6.7's make enabling its AFR more automatic, but due to the performance issues I think most see them as a big beta series and are awaiting 6.8's to see if performance and its advanced support for Crossfire could meet.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking
look closer. "driver's path" or "driver, path" etc

The correct term is "data" path, not driver path.

OMG, We don't need more of your ramblings of what you think is real or not. You're above quote is nothing but an opinion and does no good to try to educate other members when they at least know the difference between hardware and software. If you want to continue that off topic bs, why don't you PM those you wish to speak with, because no one here wants to see you make a fool of yourself again. (Or maybe they do)

OMG you still believe in your "driver path" crap and you still can't correctly define a "software flaw" , can't you? Why don't YOU PM those you wish to speak with, as well as PM your "no longer valid SLI experience", because no one here really want to hear about it. You have already made a fool of yourself.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: beggerking
OMG you still believe in your "driver path" crap and you still can't correctly define a "software flaw" , can't you? Why don't YOU PM those you wish to speak with...

Your replies always have the "I know you are but what am I" feel to them.

Me: OMG....

You: OMG...

Me: Why don't you PM....

You: Why don't YOU PM....

Grow up dude. Learn how to make your own sentence structure instead of swapping my words for yours. Besides, why would I possibly want to PM you if you are just going to throw reason out of the window? Even if I was drunk enough to try and start a conversation with you, I could't PM you, you've ignored me. You're the only one (besides askyat or whatever his name is) who has had an entire thread of people telling you that you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about. (And you argued with everyone of them)

...as well as PM your "no longer valid SLI experience"

Why is it no longer valid? SLI with two GPU's hasn't changed since I used it except for the new control panel in Nvidia's drivers.

because no one here really want to hear about it.

Then they don't have to. No one is being forced to read my posts or comment on them. In fact, since you're wanting to crack the whip on what is technically correct, they're not even "hearing" anything. Once you graduate from first grade and understand what the five senses are, then we'll talk.

You have already made a fool of yourself.

Only when I argue with another fool such as yourself. In this light, you're right. I'll try to refrain from commenting on your future stupidity.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking
OMG you still believe in your "driver path" crap and you still can't correctly define a "software flaw" , can't you? Why don't YOU PM those you wish to speak with...

Your replies always have the "I know you are but what am I" feel to them.

Me: OMG....

You: OMG...

Me: Why don't you PM....

You: Why don't YOU PM....

Grow up dude. Learn how to make your own sentence structure instead of swapping my words for yours. Besides, why would I possibly want to PM you if you are just going to throw reason out of the window? Even if I was drunk enough to try and start a conversation with you, I could't PM you, you've ignored me. You're the only one (besides askyat or whatever his name is) who has had an entire thread of people telling you that you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about. (And you argued with everyone of them)

if you aren't going to PM yourself, stop asking other people to PM, besides, you are WAY off topic yourself.

lets settle this then.

ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS:
1. What exactly is a "driver path"? how is it different from the common term "data path"?

2. define a "software flaw"....
in C, " if (x=1) then{dosomething}" a software flaw?
or do you still believe your

Originally posted by josh6079
software flaw = ATI drivers on Nvida hardware. Two different mods in Oblivion that result in pink ground (I know that one personally).

 

[schneiderguy]

not this again! wasnt there already a 100 page flamewar discussing driver paths and data paths

 

[beggerking]

funny thing is he still can't answer the question after 100 pages.

he will now divert the question and resort to personal insults.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

I think a month long vacation is due for many...

 

[AnandTech Moderator]

josh6079 and beggerking are gone for 2 weeks.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: josh6079
You seem to be very defensive for multiGPU setups.

sli > crossfire; anyone with any objectivity knows that. still, between nv's hackjob on texture filtering and what is in my opinion a cumbersome dual gpu solution from ati,

Yup. What I tried telling little Josh but he got his panties in a bunch over this fact.

Missfire using a dongle (yet they are going to copy Nvidias bridge method now.. real innovation..) and overall have worse support makes it what it is, Josh. The inferior multiGPU implementation. Sorry!

What are you on? I never said that CF was better than SLI. I believe SLI is more mature and easier to deal with. I'm saying that for what I want from my gaming rig makes SLI and CF both inferior to what I get with one good card.

heh.. that's basically what i was stating

SLI is more mature, less intrusive dual GPU solution; nvidia's problem for me is texture quality. ATI has the IQ I prefer, however their Dual GPU solution for me is clunky (dongle and mastercard? no thanks), and while in many games it works well, it does have more issues than SLI, not to mention i would certainly prefer a quieter factory cooling solution (which they seem to be working on).

i thought the R3D article summed up how i felt about CF pretty well, "Not only is stability on NVIDIA?s side, so is ease of use and practicality. There is no master/slave stuff and there is no giant pain in the ass dongle with thumb screws that break off and are way too small and cables that are way too stiff to bend nicely like the monstrosity you get with hardware Crossfire. NVIDIA?s SLI bridge-board is elegant, easy to use, and doesn?t get in your way. Granted you can?t defend yourself against hordes of evil undead zombies with it like you can ATI?s dongle, but really, who wants zombie goo all over their computer anyway."

another issue is their propensity to hide or "overprotect" (and one I never have liked about ATI; this is part of the reason their linux drivers are way behind nv's): "I remember last year as ATI was announcing Crossfire all the hype they were making about not needing to use game profiles and that every game ?just worked?. A shot at NVIDIA and their SLI profile system, clearly. Turns out ATI uses profiles in much the same way as NVIDIA. The only difference is that ATI has far fewer of them (so far fewer games actually work with Crossfire compared to SLI), and they are closed up in an encrypted .DLL or some silliness so users can?t modify it and add their own profiles (NVIDIA?s are in a plain text .XML file, easily modifiable)."

i mean, wtf is up with that? but i'm getting side-tracked...

at any rate, i'm hoping nvidia offers non-angle dependant AF w/ g80 (ie HQAF) or ATI offers a less clunky, more mature CF with r600.

basically that means that at this time, i too feel both SLI and CF are inferior to what I get with one good card as well, at least to suit my current tastes/needs.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: beggerking
OMG you still believe in your "driver path" crap and you still can't correctly define a "software flaw" , can't you? Why don't YOU PM those you wish to speak with, as well as PM your "no longer valid SLI experience", because no one here really want to hear about it. You have already made a fool of yourself.

gee, you can piss 2" further than josh; i'm impressed.

now that someone has acknowledged your "one upsmanship", it can also be said no one really gives a flying fk about this so how about you take the pointless bickering elsewhere and stay on topic?

edit:

Originally posted by: AnandTech Moderator
josh6079 and beggerking are gone for 2 weeks.

oops.. guess my point is moot


Keep it up and you're next.
AnandTech Moderator

 

[akugami]

There is no master/slave stuff and there is no giant pain in the ass dongle with thumb screws that break off and are way too small and cables that are way too stiff to bend nicely like the monstrosity you get with hardware Crossfire.

Cainam, good highlight on the ATI dongle issue. Finally, a valid criticism of the dongle rather than the fact that you need one to enable Crossfire.

 

[Cookie Monster]

The mods actually give a damn about this section of the forum?!!?!

My god, they are alive!!



If the mods did care about video forums.. no one would be here anymore becuase we will all in be vacation :laugh: except for like 1 or 2..