SLI/Crossfire NOW or wait for DX10 cards?

Fritz1970

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I'm mostly a lurker here, but haven't found an answer to my question, so I'm finally posting.

Buddy of mine and I are debating a full rebuild now of our current systems (we can barely get Oblivion to play acceptably, and we will be getting NWN2 in 9/06, which will likely put the same load on our systems). We've taken our systems about as far as they can go (DFI nForce3, 3800+AMD, 6800 Ultra video OC'd, 2GhzRAM, etc.).

We are going to upgrade our Mobos and get dual-core AMD chips. Our goal is to make a machine that will last about 3 years, play Oblivion and NWN2 with the eye candy on, and play 2008 games at least passably.

The question is whether to do this now and get two high-end video cards in SLI/Crossfire configuration, OR save our cash and wait for AM2 MoBos and DX10 cards to come out and get one high-end DX10 card (which can be upgraded later with a 2nd DX10 card in SLI/Crossfire configuration).

If we do it now (by July with AMD price drops), we can use our current RAM on a Socket 939 board; cost would be $169/chip, $180/MoBo, $80/power supply, $425 for X1900 XTX card (and another $425 or less next year for the 2nd X1900 XTX card when games start catching up to us). We can use our current memory and OS; total now is $850, total by end of next year would probably be less than $1200 with price drops on the video cards.

Doing it later would mean that we have to get an AM2 board, newer DDR2, and Windows Vista, as well as the pricing on DX10 cards, which is unknown.

As our goal is to make a machine that will last about 3 years. Any opinions on whether a pair of x1900 XTX cards on a MoBo with two 16x PCIe Crossfire slots will last that long in the face of DX10/Vista configurations? Would it be worth the money, or should we spend it all next year on the new stuff? Is there no good answer at this time, and will there be a point at which this will all become clear with product releases before 2007?

Thanks in advance for any advice; I realize this little question has almost turned into a novel. If I missed the answer to this question in my search, please point me to it.

Fritz1970
 

Ackmed

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Dont wait. Get either SLI or CF now. A lot of DX10 games will be years off. Look at DX9 games, and how long they took. Same for SM3, there is just a handful of SM3 games now, 2+ years after the whole debate about them.
 

ArchAngel777

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Dont wait. Get either SLI or CF now. A lot of DX10 games will be years off. Look at DX9 games, and how long they took. Same for SM3, there is just a handful of SM3 games now, 2+ years after the whole debate about them.

Ackmed speaks the truth and his wife is hot (because she was sitting in the sun).
 

lopri

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Yah.. If you think of gaming especially, just do it now. For gaming, honestly I don't really get excited about Conroe, either. (Unless you're limited to 1024x768 or 800x600 for whatever reason)
Video cards' prices are nearly bottoming, I think. About a year ago, right before the 7800's debut, we used to see a 6800 Ultra for $500~600, and its 512MB version for $800~$1,000. A year after then? Well, you can grab a 7600 GT for $100 and change and it'll surely outperform the 6800U, if not @stock, via slight OC'ing. Isn't it amazing?

Edit: Whichever way you go, there is one thing I'd strongly recommend - Get 512MB. If you like to play games @high res, the difference will be night and day.

 

Fraggable

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Waiting for the video card market to upgrade rarely makes any sense. If you have the money, just do it now. The only time it really makes sense to wait is when ATI or NVidia are releasing a new GPU in a few days.

BTW, if you get a 2nd X1900 series card, it will have to be a X1900CF edition card, not another 1900XTX. I'm not sure what the clocks are on the CF edition card, but if they're lower than the XTX edition, you may end up wasting your money on the XTX now over the XT.
 

Fritz1970

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Thanks for the advice. Seems that the best way to upgrade is to do it now; it'll spread the upgrade dollars over the next couple years instead of lumping them all in one shot next year - AND there's no guarantee that Vista/AM2/DX10 will be what is necessary for a majority of new 2007/2008 games.

lopri: Definitely getting a 512MB card; gonna go top of the line for video on this upgrade path; can upgrade memory/chip later on when needed, but to SLI/Crossfire a card next year, it'll have to be one of this year's best.

It's refreshing to see the quality of posters and posts on this forum, especially compared to some others.

Fritz
 

Wreckage

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The earliest you will see a DirectX10 card is September (maybe). As for DirectX10 games, sometime in 2007 and even then only a few. Many X10 games will have a X9 path as they don't want to sell to just the few early adopters.

Vista won't show up until 2007 and even then a X9 card will be fine.

Get a top end system now and add a DirectX10 card end of next year.


I am disappointed in the delays, as I had hoped to build a DirectX10 machine in September. Now I will probably get a nice X9 card to hold out until the dust settles.

 

Fritz1970

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That seems to be the consensus here and elsewhere. I'm looking at a Quad-SLI solution instead of a Crossfire solution now. No hint that there is a Quad-Crossfire solution coming out anytime soon, and I trust nVidia to have drivers for the Quad-SLI solution before the end of the year.

Fritz
 

GundamSonicZeroX

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I've recieved some wise words from a not-so-old man that I will pass on to the OT and everyone here at these AT forums. "If you wait for the best thing you'll never have a computer." It never makes sense to wait. And also, even if the DX10 cards come out in September I'm freaking tired of waiting! I've been waiting since the GeForce 7800 GTX's release for these damn cards.
 

Fritz1970

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GundamSonicZeroX: Wise words I will keep in mind. If buying now, the question becomes should I look purchase GeForce 9250 cards in the hope that Quad-SLI becomes reality and opens up a long upgrade path, or spend less on a single-GPU high-end card to SLI/Crossfire together later?

For a VERY amateur enthusiast, there are too many choices on which I don't have the time to become fully educated.
Must. Bang. Head. Into. Wall.
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Dont wait. Get either SLI or CF now. A lot of DX10 games will be years off. Look at DX9 games, and how long they took. Same for SM3, there is just a handful of SM3 games now, 2+ years after the whole debate about them.

Ackmed speaks the truth and his wife is hot (because she was sitting in the sun).

Pics :D
 

biostud

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IMHO SLI is for people who want to run the latest games @ 1600x1200 4xFSAA 16xAF or most likely even higher resolutions, otherwise I would go for single card solutions, specially if you can use your "old" videocard as a PPU once in the future.
 

Munky

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If you dont run games at 1600x1200 or higher resolutuion then a single high end card will be a better choice than 2 midrange cards. If you do run at a high resolution then get 2 high end cards. At any rate, I dont expect any DX10 games to show up until sometime in 2007, so you could end waiting a long time. Just get what you need when you need it.
 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: Fritz1970
GundamSonicZeroX: Wise words I will keep in mind. If buying now, the question becomes should I look purchase GeForce 9250 cards in the hope that Quad-SLI becomes reality and opens up a long upgrade path, or spend less on a single-GPU high-end card to SLI/Crossfire together later?

For a VERY amateur enthusiast, there are too many choices on which I don't have the time to become fully educated.
Must. Bang. Head. Into. Wall.

7950 is actually a pretty good deal. I'd say go with a single 7950 for now..
 

ArchAngel777

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Dont wait. Get either SLI or CF now. A lot of DX10 games will be years off. Look at DX9 games, and how long they took. Same for SM3, there is just a handful of SM3 games now, 2+ years after the whole debate about them.

Ackmed speaks the truth and his wife is hot (because she was sitting in the sun).

Pics :D

LOL, he actually used to have it linked in his Sig. She isn't bad looking. I am sure if you PM him, he will send you :camera: :D
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Dont wait. Get either SLI or CF now. A lot of DX10 games will be years off. Look at DX9 games, and how long they took. Same for SM3, there is just a handful of SM3 games now, 2+ years after the whole debate about them.

Ackmed speaks the truth and his wife is hot (because she was sitting in the sun).

Pics :D

LOL, he actually used to have it linked in his Sig. She isn't bad looking. I am sure if you PM him, he will send you :camera: :D


Heh, yeah. I had it there, because a sig is mostly for bragging. So I thought Id brag in another way. :eek: Here is the pic That was several years ago, before our kids. However, she is still the same weight now, even a few pounds less...
 

Fritz1970

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I'm leaning toward the 9250 as much for its likely resale as the performance. If Quad SLI actually becomes worth something at lower resolutions, I'll be ready to take advantage of it. I'll wait until July for AMD price drops and get a mobo/chip then, and see if the 7950 drops in price as well.

So, it appeasr that hanging around the Anandtech forums makes it more likely that hotties like Ackmed's wife will show up. There are benefits to this forum of which I was unaware . . .

Fritz