Slave descendants file $1 billion suit against corporations

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http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--slavereparations-0329mar29,0,4970654.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire

NEW YORK -- Descendants of slaves filed a $1 billion lawsuit against U.S. and British corporations on Monday, accusing them of profiting by committing genocide against their ancestors.

Lawyers for the eight plaintiffs said the complaint _ unlike past suits seeking reparations for slavery _ was the first to use DNA to link the plaintiffs to Africans who suffered atrocities during the slave trade.

The suit filed in federal court in Manhattan accuses Lloyd's of London, FleetBoston and R.J. Reynolds of "aiding and abetting the commission of genocide" by allegedly financing and insuring the ships that delivered slaves to tobacco plantations in the United States.

The defendants "have destroyed our national and ethnic identity," one of the plaintiffs, Deadria Farmer-Paellmann, said at a news conference announcing the suit, which seeks $1 billion in punitive damages.

DNA testing has made a "direct connection" between Farmer-Paellmann to the Mende tribe in Sierra Leone, whose people "were kidnapped, tortured and shipped in chains to the United States," the suit said.

Similar scientific links have been made between the other plaintiffs and tribes in Niger and Gambia, the suit said.

Calls to the three defendant companies were not immediately returned.

In January, a federal judge in Chicago threw out a similar suit brought by descendants of slaves.

U.S. District Judge Charles R. Norgle ruled the plaintiffs' claims "are beyond the constitutional authority of this court." And he said the suit drew no specific connection between the plaintiffs and the companies named as defendants.
 
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oh for christs sake, get the f&$k over it people. Or why not sue norway for hundreds of years of rape and murder by the vikings...jesus.

I want a new law that allows shooting anybody stupid enough to bring a suit like this.
 

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Ten Reasons Why Reparations for Blacks is a Bad Idea for Blacks - and Racist Too

By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | January 3, 2001

One

There Is No Single Group Clearly Responsible For The Crime Of Slavery

Black Africans and Arabs were responsible for enslaving the ancestors of African-Americans. There were 3,000 black slave-owners in the ante-bellum United States. Are reparations to be paid by their descendants too?

Two

There Is No One Group That Benefited Exclusively From Its Fruits

The claim for reparations is premised on the false assumption that only whites have benefited from slavery. If slave labor created wealth for Americans, then obviously it has created wealth for black Americans as well, including the descendants of slaves. The GNP of black America is so large that it makes the African-American community the 10th most prosperous "nation" in the world. American blacks on average enjoy per capita incomes in the range of twenty to fifty times that of blacks living in any of the African nations from which they were kidnapped.

Three

Only A Tiny Minority Of White Americans Ever Owned Slaves, And Others Gave Their Lives To Free Them

Only a tiny minority of Americans ever owned slaves. This is true even for those who lived in the ante-bellum South where only one white in five was a slaveholder. Why should their descendants owe a debt? What about the descendants of the 350,000 Union soldiers who died to free the slaves? They gave their lives. What possible moral principle would ask them to pay (through their descendants) again?

Four

America Today Is A Multi-Ethnic Nation and Most Americans Have No Connection (Direct Or Indirect) To Slavery

The two great waves of American immigration occurred after 1880 and then after 1960. What rationale would require Vietnamese boat people, Russian refuseniks, Iranian refugees, and Armenian victims of the Turkish persecution, Jews, Mexicans Greeks, or Polish, Hungarian, Cambodian and Korean victims of Communism, to pay reparations to American blacks?

Five

The Historical Precedents Used To Justify The Reparations Claim Do Not Apply, And The Claim Itself Is Based On Race Not Injury

The historical precedents generally invoked to justify the reparations claim are payments to Jewish survivors of the Holocaust, Japanese-Americans and African- American victims of racial experiments in Tuskegee, or racial outrages in Rosewood and Oklahoma City. But in each case, the recipients of reparations were the direct victims of the injustice or their immediate families. This would be the only case of reparations to people who were not immediately affected and whose sole qualification to receive reparations would be racial. As has already been pointed out, during the slavery era, many blacks were free men or slave-owners themselves, yet the reparations claimants make no distinction between the roles blacks actually played in the injustice itself. Randall Robinson's book on reparations, The Debt, which is the manifesto of the reparations movement is pointedly sub-titled "What America Owes To Blacks." If this is not racism, what is?

Six

The Reparations Argument Is Based On The Unfounded Claim That All African-American Descendants of Slaves Suffer From The Economic Consequences Of Slavery And Discrimination

No evidence-based attempt has been made to prove that living individuals have been adversely affected by a slave system that was ended over 150 years ago. But there is plenty of evidence the hardships that occurred were hardships that individuals could and did overcome. The black middle-class in America is a prosperous community that is now larger in absolute terms than the black underclass. Does its existence not suggest that economic adversity is the result of failures of individual character rather than the lingering after-effects of racial discrimination and a slave system that ceased to exist well over a century ago? West Indian blacks in America are also descended from slaves but their average incomes are equivalent to the average incomes of whites ( and nearly 25% higher than the average incomes of American born blacks). How is it that slavery adversely affected one large group of descendants but not the other? How can government be expected to decide an issue that is so subjective - and yet so critical - to the case?

Seven

The Reparations Claim Is One More Attempt To Turn African-Americans Into Victims. It Sends A Damaging Message To The African-American Community.

The renewed sense of grievance -- which is what the claim for reparations will inevitably create -- is neither a constructive nor a helpful message for black leaders to be sending to their communities and to others. To focus the social passions of African-Americans on what some Americans may have done to their ancestors fifty or a hundred and fifty years ago is to burden them with a crippling sense of victim-hood. How are the millions of refugees from tyranny and genocide who are now living in America going to receive these claims, moreover, except as demands for special treatment, an extravagant new handout that is only necessary because some blacks can't seem to locate the ladder of opportunity within reach of others -- many less privileged than themselves?

Eight

Reparations To African Americans Have Already Been Paid

Since the passage of the Civil Rights Acts and the advent of the Great Society in 1965, trillions of dollars in transfer payments have been made to African-Americans in the form of welfare benefits and racial preferences (in contracts, job placements and educational admissions) - all under the rationale of redressing historic racial grievances. It is said that reparations are necessary to achieve a healing between African-Americans and other Americans. If trillion dollar restitutions and a wholesale rewriting of American law (in order to accommodate racial preferences) for African-Americans is not enough to achieve a "healing," what will?

Nine

What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

Slavery existed for thousands of years before the Atlantic slave trade was born, and in all societies. But in the thousand years of its existence, there never was an anti-slavery movement until white Christians - Englishmen and Americans -- created one. If not for the anti-slavery attitudes and military power of white Englishmen and Americans, the slave trade would not have been brought to an end. If not for the sacrifices of white soldiers and a white American president who gave his life to sign the Emancipation Proclamation, blacks in America would still be slaves. If not for the dedication of Americans of all ethnicities and colors to a society based on the principle that all men are created equal, blacks in America would not enjoy the highest standard of living of blacks anywhere in the world, and indeed one of the highest standards of living of any people in the world. They would not enjoy the greatest freedoms and the most thoroughly protected individual rights anywhere. Where is the gratitude of black America and its leaders for those gifts?

Ten

The Reparations Claim Is A Separatist Idea That Sets African-Americans Against The Nation That Gave Them Freedom

Blacks were here before the Mayflower. Who is more American than the descendants of African slaves? For the African-American community to isolate itself even further from America is to embark on a course whose implications are troubling. Yet the African-American community has had a long-running flirtation with separatists, nationalists and the political left, who want African-Americans to be no part of America's social contract. African Americans should reject this temptation.

For all America's faults, African-Americans have an enormous stake in their country and its heritage. It is this heritage that is really under attack by the reparations movement. The reparations claim is one more assault on America, conducted by racial separatists and the political left. It is an attack not only on white Americans, but on all Americans -- especially African-Americans.

America's African-American citizens are the richest and most privileged black people alive -- a bounty that is a direct result of the heritage that is under assault. The American idea needs the support of its African-American citizens. But African-Americans also need the support of the American idea. For it is this idea that led to the principles and institutions that have set African-Americans - and all of us -- free.
 

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If they get a billion, I want a share of the quadrillion or whatever dollars my ancestors lost (part Cherokee here).


I ain't holding my breath
 

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my ancestors were kidnapped and forced to fight here by the local principality. i want money from germany and england.
 

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Falloutboy525
this has got to be the stupidest lawsuite ever.....

Why do you hate black people?

Is falloutboy a racist and if so should he be banned from posting on Anandtech?

 
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Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Falloutboy525
this has got to be the stupidest lawsuite ever.....

Why do you hate black people?

Is falloutboy a racist and if so should he be banned from posting on Anandtech?

I think it's fairly obvious that anybody who thinks giving free money to African-Americans is a bad idea thinks so because they hate black people. Just like those damn opponents to affirmitive action. When will we see beyond the color of our skin, people??!!
 

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Falloutboy525
this has got to be the stupidest lawsuite ever.....

Why do you hate black people?

Is falloutboy a racist and if so should he be banned from posting on Anandtech?

I think it's fairly obvious that anybody who thinks giving free money to African-Americans is a bad idea thinks so because they hate black people. Just like those damn opponents to affirmitive action. When will we see beyond the color of our skin, people??!!

WTF are you talking about!!!!????
TROLL alert!!!!
TROLL Alert!!!!
 

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Falloutboy525
this has got to be the stupidest lawsuite ever.....

Why do you hate black people?

Is falloutboy a racist and if so should he be banned from posting on Anandtech?

I think it's fairly obvious that anybody who thinks giving free money to African-Americans is a bad idea thinks so because they hate black people. Just like those damn opponents to affirmitive action. When will we see beyond the color of our skin, people??!!

WTF are you talking about!!!!????
TROLL alert!!!!
TROLL Alert!!!!


I think your sarcasm meter is broken;)

CkG
 

BugsBunny1078

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Imagine how many lawsuits there will be if we are suddenly allowed to sue for anything that happened to any of our ancestors no matter how long ago.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
my ancestors were kidnapped and forced to fight here by the local principality. i want money from germany and england.

Some of mine were forced to march the Trail of Tears.

I demand reparations!
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: nutxo
maybe if they offered free airfare back to thier native land?

Maybe we can start a foreign exchange program. Black people or anyone else who hate the US can permanently move anywhere in the world and one family/person in the country they move to can take their spot here permanently via a application and review process. I know plenty of fellow Latinos and Asian people who would love to be living in the greatest nation in the world. It's obvious that the idiots behind this lawsuit just don't like living in this country.
 
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Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: nutxo
maybe if they offered free airfare back to thier native land?

Maybe we can start a foreign exchange program. Black people or anyone else who hate the US can permanently move anywhere in the world and one family/person in the country they move to can take their spot here permanently via a application and review process. I know plenty of fellow Latinos and Asian people who would love to be living in the greatest nation in the world. It's obvious that the idiots behind this lawsuit just don't like living in this country.

As long as by 'hate the US' you mean truly despise the constitution and freedoms and not some ignorant 'with us or against us' fascist definition or Ann Coulter tripe about blindly supporting a corrupted government.
 
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I'm pretty sure sometime soon after the end of the civil war, african-americans were offered the chance to go home. But they completely change history every few years, so who knows.
 

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Falloutboy525
this has got to be the stupidest lawsuite ever.....

Why do you hate black people?

Is falloutboy a racist and if so should he be banned from posting on Anandtech?

I think it's fairly obvious that anybody who thinks giving free money to African-Americans is a bad idea thinks so because they hate black people. Just like those damn opponents to affirmitive action. When will we see beyond the color of our skin, people??!!

If a normal person were to post this, there would be no question in my mind whether they were being sarcastic. However, with HoP, I truly can't tell.
 

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The nation of Liberia was founded and intended as a place for freed slaves to go. Some did go and others did not. Noone was forced to go . Many of the slaves were born here and so were citizens. Family and friends and the only life they ever knew was here. So they didn't want to leave despite how bad life was for them here even after the civil war.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: nutxo
maybe if they offered free airfare back to thier native land?

Maybe we can start a foreign exchange program. Black people or anyone else who hate the US can permanently move anywhere in the world and one family/person in the country they move to can take their spot here permanently via a application and review process. I know plenty of fellow Latinos and Asian people who would love to be living in the greatest nation in the world. It's obvious that the idiots behind this lawsuit just don't like living in this country.

As long as by 'hate the US' you mean truly despise the constitution and freedoms and not some ignorant 'with us or against us' fascist definition or Ann Coulter tripe about blindly supporting a corrupted government.

Hey you know what ? Let's just give them the billion in extortion money. Then after they get their money we don't have to fund AA or any other pity based handout programs because they have been officially compensated for their "suffering". This way the whining and moaning can stop and people won't have to feel guilty anymore. God only knows that black folk are the only group of people who have suffered in this country right ? Of course let's not mention that they have the highest standard of living, education, health care and more rights then other black folk across the globe because they live in this great nation of ours.