Skylake Core Configs and TDPs

[TreVader]

The numbers tells a different story.

Yes numbers that aren't from this quarter or very relevant definitely tell a story.



It's mostly about your lack of business acumen though. Those numbers say almost nothing about the industry itself. Also, I guess you agree that nvidia is on it's last legs? that's what intel17 said.



I agree with you that nvidia looks terrible right now and may not last long, but to say they're going to go out of business is pretty absurd.

 

[witeken]

NV and AMD have nothing to fear from intel until it can fabricate an igpu that can provide comparable performance in games to a midrange dgpu. That's a long way away.

Only 1 year: GT4 will have something like 3TFLOPS (96EUs, 75% faster than Gen7.5). Just 1 year ago, Intel's fastest IGP did 400GFLOPS. If Intel releases GT5 at Cannonlake in H1 2016, it could be mind blowing.

(FLOPS isn't the best tool for comparisons, but it gives a good idea.)

 

[TreVader]

Only 1 year: GT4 will have something like 3TFLOPS (96EUs, 75% faster than Gen7.5). Just 1 year ago, Intel's fastest IGP did 400GFLOPS. If Intel releases GT5 at Cannonlake in H1 2016, it could be mind blowing.

(FLOPS isn't the best tool for comparisons, but it gives a good idea.)

I hope you're right, would be nice to have a macbook air that had equivalent GPU to a midrange desktop.

 

[witeken]

Hmm wow... 10 _P_FLOPS?

Yeah, and it would be 1m² at 22nm.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yes numbers that aren't from this quarter or very relevant definitely tell a story.



It's mostly about your lack of business acumen though. Those numbers say almost nothing about the industry itself. Also, I guess you agree that nvidia is on it's last legs? that's what intel17 said.



I agree with you that nvidia looks terrible right now and may not last long, but to say they're going to go out of business is pretty absurd.

The numbers are from Q1 2014. And the development of the last year is also shown. Feel free to provide any other edvidence if you can.

nVidia is at least the 4th largest ARM seller in terms of MPU revenue. And the absolute best positioned compared to AMD with a MPU division on life support in a post dGPU case.
AMD still have no products for a way out. Consoles will only only last them for so long (Sales also dropping there.). And we still have to see what what they may or may not be able to deliver in the future to turn this around. But look how much R&D and time it took for nVidia just to get this far. Its not going to be easier or cheaper for AMD.

But again, dGPUs is going down fast. And numbers shows it.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Yes numbers that aren't from this quarter or very relevant definitely tell a story.



It's mostly about your lack of business acumen though. Those numbers say almost nothing about the industry itself. Also, I guess you agree that nvidia is on it's last legs? that's what intel17 said.



I agree with you that nvidia looks terrible right now and may not last long, but to say they're going to go out of business is pretty absurd.

Didn't say NV is on it's last legs, and in dGPU it is also working AMD over pretty well. It also controls the very high margin segments of the GPU market (Quadro/Tesla), and is in pretty strong financial shape.

I'm saying that if Intel decided that it would go all-in n developing dGPUs, its manufacturing lead could be used to deal some pretty serious damage to both NV's and AMD's businesses. Of course, Intel is quite behind architecturally, which is why it would take many years of sheer brute forcing for such a strategy to potentially work.

For the record, I think Intel should not have wasted $7.4B on McAfail and should have instead bought NVIDIA. This would be a match made in heaven...best process, best CPU, best GPU = winner.

 

[TreVader]

The numbers are from Q1 2014.

It's almost Q3 2014

nVidia is at least the 4th largest ARM seller in terms of MPU revenue.

Nvidia just said they stopped making ARM chips. Tegra is dead.

Consoles will only only last them for so long (Sales also dropping there.).

Consoles are guaranteed revenue for 5+ yrs. They've almost sold 10 million already, which is way faster than the 360 and ps3 sold

But again, dGPUs is going down fast. And numbers shows it.

PCs are going down fast. x86 is going down fast. Of course dGPU will go with it.

 

[ShintaiDK]

For the record, I think Intel should not have wasted $7.4B on McAfail and should have instead bought NVIDIA. This would be a match made in heaven...best process, best CPU, best GPU = winner.

That would have been an utter disaster. The 2 company cultures couldnt be any more remote. Even AMD and ATI had massive issues in joining the 2 companies for the same reason. And they was much more alligned.

You would have mass exodus of people and losing most of what had value.

 

[SAAA]

Only 1 year: GT4 will have something like 3TFLOPS (96EUs, 75% faster than Gen7.5). Just 1 year ago, Intel's fastest IGP did 400GFLOPS. If Intel releases GT5 at Cannonlake in H1 2016, it could be mind blowing.

(FLOPS isn't the best tool for comparisons, but it gives a good idea.)

3TFLOPS! Let's hope all that power doesn't go wasted without any software able to use it. OpenCL, or just let the pc use it as coprocessor: it's half the computational performance of an incoming Xeon Phy!

Yeah, and it would be 1m² at 22nm.

But... they need bigger wafers, 450mm isn't enough!

 

[witeken]

Could they buy a mobile GPU company like Imagination Technologies?

 

[TreVader]

Didn't say NV is on it's last legs, and in dGPU it is also working AMD over pretty well. It also controls the very high margin segments of the GPU market (Quadro/Tesla), and is in pretty strong financial shape.

I'm saying that if Intel decided that it would go all-in n developing dGPUs, its manufacturing lead could be used to deal some pretty serious damage to both NV's and AMD's businesses. Of course, Intel is quite behind architecturally, which is why it would take many years of sheer brute forcing for such a strategy to potentially work.

For the record, I think Intel should not have wasted $7.4B on McAfail and should have instead bought NVIDIA. This would be a match made in heaven...best process, best CPU, best GPU = winner.

nvidia is worthless to intel, McAffee is far more useful for security reasons. Intel is competing with nvidia, they aren't "friends" just because they both compete with AMD.

I think intel will have a hard time competing with Apple. Now that Apple is throwing their hat in, intel is no longer the most wealthy semiconductor design company. They still are the most wealthy manufacturer. Apple has already matched Haswell IPC and already is beating intel in mobile GPU and handedly in CPU also. They need to up clock speed, which i believe will take until 2017.


2017 will be the year Apple and intel go at it over the notebook segment.

AMD is doing awesome in GPU, nothing but good news in 2014. Their APUs are strong too. Nvidia has had nothing but a string of embarrassments in 2014 they look awful in general but at least they still have some good designs (maxwell).

 

[dahorns]

Are you suggesting they are going out of business, or even close to it? That would be a pretty comical statement, but not surprising in the light of your comments about intel.

Uh . . . AMD has been on the verge of bankruptcy for awhile. I mean, they've come back nicely since 2012, but they are hardly a financially healthy company.

Their IP will go on for a long time. Them as a company? Hardly a sure thing. There is a reason the stock price is close to bargain basement prices.

 

[ShintaiDK]

It's almost Q3 2014


Nvidia just said they stopped making ARM chips. Tegra is dead.


Consoles are guaranteed revenue for 5+ yrs. They've almost sold 10 million already, which is way faster than the 360 and ps3 sold


PCs are going down fast. x86 is going down fast. Of course dGPU will go with it.

And we will have Q2 numbers saying the same thing when they arrive. What do you expect that changes that didnt change the last 12 months and more?

nVidia stopped making ARM chips? Please supply edvidence.

Consoles are a guaranteed revenue. However the amount isnt. And you can take a look in AMDs latest financials on how that goes.

x86 isnt dropping that much anymore. And server wise x86 is growing.

 

[ShintaiDK]

AMD is doing awesome in GPU, nothing but good news in 2014. Their APUs are strong too.

Yet they lose dGPU share to nVidia and their MPU division is in free fall.

Your comments and reality dont seem to mix.

 

[TreVader]

And we will have Q2 numbers saying the same thing when they arrive. What do you expect that changes that didnt change the last 12 months and more?

nVidia stopped making ARM chips? Please supply edvidence.

Consoles are a guaranteed revenue. However the amount isnt. And you can take a look in AMDs latest financials on how that goes.

x86 isnt dropping that much anymore. And server wise x86 is growing.

Nvidia is dropping out of the smartphone market:
http://www.cnet.com/news/nvidia-ceo-sees-future-in-cars-and-gaming-q-a/


Your numbers were old and were very vague they didn't even separate APUs and dGPUs. Try actually using some good data and writing something instead of just trolling with stuff you undoubtedly save to your desktop to spam threads where nvidia isn't spoken of highly enough.


I'd be worried about nvidia too, so i guess I see where all the FUD is coming from.


Personal attacks are not allowed here.
Markfw900

 

[ShintaiDK]

Nvidia is dropping out of the smartphone market:
http://www.cnet.com/news/nvidia-ceo-sees-future-in-cars-and-gaming-q-a/

You said nVidia stopped making ARM chips. And that was obviously wrong. Google also just announced their tablet dev kit with Tegra K1.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8130/...-dev-kit-with-tegra-k1-and-3d-capturetracking

Also you seem to have missed a lot in the article you linked. I recommend you read it again.

 

[TreVader]

You said nVidia stopped making ARM chips. And that was obviously wrong. Google also just announced their tablet dev kit with Tegra K1.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8130/...-dev-kit-with-tegra-k1-and-3d-capturetracking

Not what I meant, I meant that they are obviously not going to continue the tegra line. They will still support hardware they just made.



The reason my positions seem to not "fit" to you is I support technology based on it's merits not some contrived notion of loyalty to a specific company.


I like intels haswell architecture and I hope they continue with broadwell because I think intel makes great CPUs. That doesn't mean I think everything they do is great. I like AMD because of it's GPUs (I was an ATI fan) and because of their honorable business practices.

Nvidia has made good products that I like i.e. GK110 but they tend to price them outside of their value and I don't like that. Whether I like nvidia or not they are not having a good 2014 and it's hard to argue they have.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Not what I meant, I meant that they are obviously not going to continue the tegra line. They will still support hardware they just made.

That is incorrect. Even your own article says so.

 

[Homeles]

3nm?? I though 5nm was the limit unless they come up with some magical new material.

I believe it is for silicon. They're going to move away from silicon at the 10 or 7nm node, though.

Or it could save itself the hassle and just buy NV

Maybe over JHH's dead body.

For the record, I think Intel should not have wasted $7.4B on McAfail and should have instead bought NVIDIA. This would be a match made in heaven...best process, best CPU, best GPU = winner.

I know McAfee sucks, but isn't it making them a fair bit of money?

 

[jdubs03]

Intel has always been the first mover with process innovation, so it wouldn't surprise me if 10nm was the switch to iii/v materials. i don't know if the transistor structure will change to GAA/tFET, maybe at 7nm. or all at once.

 

[Homeles]

Intel has always been the first mover with process innovation, so it wouldn't surprise me if 10nm was the switch to iii/v materials. i don't know if the transistor structure will change to GAA/tFET, maybe at 7nm. or all at once.

My guess is 10nm for "post-silicon" in some form for Intel. I don't recall if they've nailed down their 10nm "recipe" yet, though, so there may or may not be some fluidity.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Could they buy a mobile GPU company like Imagination Technologies?

Intel is ImgTec's biggest shareholder (~10% stake).

 

[bullzz]

@Intel17 - i thought apple was Img's biggest share holder

 

[Arachnotronic]

@Intel17 - i thought apple was Img's biggest share holder

Apple is the 2nd largest, IIRC.

 

[Arachnotronic]

My guess is 10nm for "post-silicon" in some form for Intel. I don't recall if they've nailed down their 10nm "recipe" yet, though, so there may or may not be some fluidity.

10nm definition is closed, and since 2013 Intel has been designing chips on 10nm.

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...gins-work-on-10-nanometer-mobile-designs.aspx