Ski/Snowboarding Trip to Colorado

SirChadwick

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Me and my good friends are taking a trip to Colorado to have some fun. This will be my first time ever attempting to ski/snowboard. Looking for do/don'ts and what you have had the most fun doing in Breckenridge. A lot of people tell me skiing just isn't near as fun as snowboarding and not to waste my time. Others have said they'd rather ride snowmobiles all day. I will probably only do this once or twice so what do you suggest for outterwear? Buy used on fleabay or what? I don't want to spend more than I need to. Thx in advance... I'm looking forward to this trip.
 

SirChadwick

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Originally posted by: Mackie2k
My friends work at the Starbucks at Keystone. Say hi to Katie and Jodi if you swing up that way.


Will do for real. I live at Starbucks here in Atlanta... Gingerbread and Pumpkin spice Frapps FTW!
 

Zolty

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Never been to Breckenridge, Ebay is your best bet for finding used ski/snowboard stuff. A general rule of thumb when going out where it might be cold, is to wear layers, lots of layers, that way if it is warmer than you thought you can take them off.

I stole the following from here

How To Dress For Winter Weather

What a difference the right clothing can make. The weather may be cold, windy and wet, but you're warm and dry because you're wearing authentic winter apparel. Whether you're skiing, snowboarding, snowshoeing or just running errands, versatile winter apparel is worth the investment.

Shopping for winter clothing can seem a bit overwhelming. New fabrics and insulations are constantly making apparel warmer, more reathable and more waterproof. Fashions seem to change by the season. But don't worry. This guide is designed to give you some basic information about dressing for winter and will make your next shopping trip a lot easier.

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* Layer Up ? Proper winter dressing means three layers ? wicking, insulating and protection. Find out what kind of clothing is best for each.
* Accessorize ? What to wear on your head, eyes, hands and feet
* Fashion Tips ? How to get the best clothing fit, and what not to wear in the snow

Layer Up
The best way to dress for winter is to wear layers. This gives you flexibility to add or remove layers, depending on the weather and your activity. In general,the three main layers are wicking, insulating and weather protection.

Wicking layer: This is the layer worn next to your skin, usually consisting of long underwear.

* Look for thermal underwear made of a synthetic ? usually polyester ? fiber that has "wicking" power. This means the fibers will wick (move) moisture away from your skin and pass it through the fabric so it will evaporate. This keeps you warm, dry and comfortable. Silk is also a good, natural fabric that has wicking abilities.
* Even though it's cold, you will sweat ? especially if you are cross country skiing or snowshoeing.

Insulating layer: This middle layer includes sweaters, sweatshirts, vests and pullovers. The purpose of this layer is to keep heat in and cold out, which is accomplished by trapping air between the fibers. Popular insulation materials include:

* Fleece, a synthetic material which maintains its insulating ability even when wet and spreads the moisture out so it dries quickly.
* Wool, which naturally wicks away moisture.

Protection layer: The exterior layer, generally a shell and pants, serves as your guard against the elements of winter. It should repel water from snow,sleet or rain and block the wind, while also letting perspiration evaporate.

* Most genuine winter shells and pants are made waterproof and breathable to some extent by using tightly woven fabrics teamed with a coating or laminate. This keeps moisture on the outside but allows perspiration to escape, keeping you dry and comfortable.
* Depending on the weather and type of winter activity you will be doing, you may be interested in uninsulated pants and jackets/shells, or garments with increasing amounts of insulation.
* One-piece suits, which combine a jacket and pants, are popular with many alpine skiers, especially on cold days and days where there is a lot of fresh powder snow.
* Look for functional hoods, cuffs, pockets and zippers ? details that truly make garments comfortable in a snowstorm.
* Although less baggy than in previous years, most snowboard clothing is still designed to fit looser than alpine skiwear, giving snowboarders freedom of movement. In addition, many snowboard pants are reinforced in the seat and knees for extra protection when kneeling or sitting on the snow.

Accessorize
Headwear: Up to 60 percent of your body's heat can escape from an uncovered head, so wearing a hat, headband or helmet is essential when it's cold. (Tip: If you wear a hat, you may be able to wear one less layer on your body.) There are thousands of styles of hats and headbands, usually made from fleece or wool. Many have non-itch liners. Helmets are becoming very popular. Not only do they protect your head from bumps, but they also keep your head warm. A fleece neck gaiter (like a collar) or face mask is a must on cold days.

Sunglasses and goggles: Sunglasses do much more than make you look cool. They also protect your eyes from damaging solar radiation. Snow, or any other reflective surface, makes ultraviolet (UV) rays stronger, while increased altitude also magnifies the danger. On flat-light days or when it's snowing, goggles are vital. They protect your eyes and special lens colors increase the contrast so you can properly discern terrain features.

Gloves and mittens: Look for gloves and mittens that use waterproof, breathable fabrics. Mittens, in general, are warmer than gloves, but offer you less dexterity. Consider the type of activity you'll be doing. Snowboarding gloves and mittens often have a reinforced palm because of extra wear from adjusting bindings and balancing on the snow. Some snowboarding gloves and mittens also have built-in wrist guards, which are excellent for novice snowboarders. Cross country skiing gloves tend to be lighter-weight for extra movement and because you perspire more.

Socks: One pair of light-weight or medium-weight socks works best for skiing, snowboarding or snowshoeing. Socks are made from a variety of materials, including polyester, silk, wool and nylon. Some socks have wicking properties similar to long underwear, meaning your feet will stay dry and comfortable.

Fashion Tips

* The wicking layer should fit snugly (not tight) next to the skin in order to effectively wick moisture. Comfort is key for the insulating layer. It should be loose enough to trap air between layers, but not so bulky that it restricts movement. Whether you are a skier, snowshoer or snowboarder, your protection layer should fit comfortably, offering you maximum range of motion.
* Look for 100 percent UV protection in sunglasses. Make sure the glasses fit snugly behind your ears and rest gently on the bridge of your nose.
* Goggles should form an uninterrupted seal on your face, extending above your eyebrows and below your cheekbones. Watch for gaps, especially around your nose.
* Don't buy gloves or mittens that are too tight. There should be a little air space at the tips of your fingers, which acts as additional insulation.
* Don't wear jeans or street pants. Denim is not waterproof, so water will soak through and you'll end up cold, wet and miserable.
* Cotton is a no-no. Cotton is great for towels, because cotton soaks up and retains moisture. That's precisely why cotton is all wrong for on-slope apparel. It absorbs moisture (sweat and snow), and retains it. When the wind blows, you will get very, very cold. Don't wear cotton athletic socks, cotton jeans, cotton sweatshirts, or cotton T-shirts.
* Resist the temptation of putting on too many pairs of socks. You'll restrict circulation and actually cause your feet to get colder.
 

Hoober

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If you've never skiied or boarded before, prepare to spend a lot of time falling down the mountain. Seriously.

You might find it useful to enroll in a beginners lesson for whichever downhill method you want to try and learn.
 

MX2

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Meh....Breck is overated and too crowded IMO, but that might be your thing especially being a newb to the slopes. For your first time, you'll probably have more fun on a snowboard than skis, first time out on skis can get you frustrated quickly. Rent your board/skis and boots there onsite.

A simple pair of ski bibs will serve you well, but I suggest a decent pair of water/snow proof pants that will keep you warm and wear some thermals underneath. Personally I dont feel as movement restricted that way. Get a coat that has a zip out lining with a water proof breathable shell. You think it will be cold all the time up there but once you get to playing and having fun, you may soon discover you need to break down some layers to stay comfortable. Dont forget a beanie of some sort that will cover your ears. You are likely to find some suitable gear at a Goodwill or Salvation Army stores. I have seen lots of used ski gear in those places from time to time. Goggles arent really necessary IMO if you can find a cheap pair of UV protection wrap around sunglasses. Make sure your gloves are comfy and waterproof also.

WEAR SUNSCREEN ON ANY EXPOSED SKIN AREAS ON YOUR FACE, and make it a high SPF rating. Sunburn at altitude is the worst:(

DRINK LOTS OF LIQUIDS. Altitude sickness is real, and it sucks:(

Bring granola bars, pop tarts, and beef jerky. That way you dont have to stop skiing to eat;)

Have fun!

 

CTrain

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Originally posted by: Mackie2k
My friends work at the Starbucks at Keystone. Say hi to Katie and Jodi if you swing up that way.

I'll be going to Keystone in Feb.
Who should I tell is sayiong hio to Katie and Jodi ??
And are they hot ??
 

CTrain

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Skiing is easy.
I had never done skiing of any kind and the first time I went, my friends just took me up there and told me to fly.
And fly I did. I didn't know how to stop and almost went off the cliff.
By the 3rd run, I was good to go.

Now snowboarding is another story story.
I could never get a hang of it and almost quit.
Glad I kept up with it because snowboarding is just funner for me.

If you plan to go on a regular basis, learn to snowboard no matter how frustrated you get.
If not, ski. You will learn it quicker.
 

LegendKiller

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CO is OK for skiing. Been to all of the majors and a couple minors. I still think Jackson Hole is better tha any CO resort, by far.
 

Mackie2k

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Originally posted by: CTrain
Originally posted by: Mackie2k
My friends work at the Starbucks at Keystone. Say hi to Katie and Jodi if you swing up that way.

I'll be going to Keystone in Feb.
Who should I tell is sayiong hio to Katie and Jodi ??
And are they hot ??

Jodi is ok, Katie is meh.....

Both would be ok for a "drunken night of pleasure".....

Both are really good snowboarders though, and live in the employee housing.

Katie is more my friend than Jodi, tell her Jon from Monroe says hi :)
 

syee

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Originally posted by: MX2times
Meh....Breck is overated and too crowded IMO, but that might be your thing especially being a newb to the slopes. For your first time, you'll probably have more fun on a snowboard than skis, first time out on skis can get you frustrated quickly. Rent your board/skis and boots there onsite.

A simple pair of ski bibs will serve you well, but I suggest a decent pair of water/snow proof pants that will keep you warm and wear some thermals underneath. Personally I dont feel as movement restricted that way. Get a coat that has a zip out lining with a water proof breathable shell. You think it will be cold all the time up there but once you get to playing and having fun, you may soon discover you need to break down some layers to stay comfortable. Dont forget a beanie of some sort that will cover your ears. You are likely to find some suitable gear at a Goodwill or Salvation Army stores. I have seen lots of used ski gear in those places from time to time. Goggles arent really necessary IMO if you can find a cheap pair of UV protection wrap around sunglasses. Make sure your gloves are comfy and waterproof also.

WEAR SUNSCREEN ON ANY EXPOSED SKIN AREAS ON YOUR FACE, and make it a high SPF rating. Sunburn at altitude is the worst:(

DRINK LOTS OF LIQUIDS. Altitude sickness is real, and it sucks:(

Bring granola bars, pop tarts, and beef jerky. That way you dont have to stop skiing to eat;)

Have fun!

breck isn't too bad. Might not be so crowded now because it's not part of the KAB 4 pack anymore...just a guess. However, they have wide runs so it's good for a beginner snowboarder...plenty of room to practice your turns. It was kinda plain when I went there last year. Copper seems like a nicer resort with better facilities and a more "resort-ish" atmosphere. (If you've ever been to Whistler/Blackcomb, you'll know what I mean - they're both owned by Intrawest)

Should be fun, snow should be good. Prime snow season is March if you can wait until then. Not sure if you've skied or snowboarded in Colorado before, but it's dry snow up there and it's really fluffy and great to board on...unlike the snow in Vancouver which is wet and heavy. :)

Should be good times. I've been going up there (a mix of Copper, Breck and Keystone) every year for the last 4 years and it's always been great. Just dress properly for it.
 

QurazyQuisp

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Having snowboarded for about 8 years now, and taught a few lessons... Here are two helpful hints.

- Learn to carve from the start. Attempting to make it down a hill on a flat board in the beginning will do nothing other then put you on your butt all day.

- The faster you go, the easier snowboarding is, When I learned, I started off on bigger hills, learned how to carve then took to the little hills. Now, the Green runs in Colorado should be good enough.
 

Kelvrick

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Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Having snowboarded for about 8 years now, and taught a few lessons... Here are two helpful hints.

- Learn to carve from the start. Attempting to make it down a hill on a flat board in the beginning will do nothing other then put you on your butt all day.

- The faster you go, the easier snowboarding is, When I learned, I started off on bigger hills, learned how to carve then took to the little hills. Now, the Green runs in Colorado should be good enough.

For us non-boarders, what do you mean by carve.

I'm normally a skiier but decided to try my luck at boarding this past weekend and well, my entire body hurts. I haven't decided whether i'm normal or goofy yet. Normal, I like how my stronger right leg can easily change directions of the board, while goofy, I feel putting more weight on my right leg.

Any tips? I got the easy one, using the back/heel edge of the board, but always fall when I make the transition over to leaning on the forward/toe edge.
 

lykaon78

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About four years ago I completed my seond trip in two years to Colorado - I've been to four resorts... Brekenridge seemed to be the trendy spot for twenty somethings. Vail was huge and awesome and the farther you got away from the frontside the less crowded it got. Keystone had night skiing so you could make a really long day out of going to Keystone. A-basin was too tough for me (intermedite skier).
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
Having snowboarded for about 8 years now, and taught a few lessons... Here are two helpful hints.

- Learn to carve from the start. Attempting to make it down a hill on a flat board in the beginning will do nothing other then put you on your butt all day.

- The faster you go, the easier snowboarding is, When I learned, I started off on bigger hills, learned how to carve then took to the little hills. Now, the Green runs in Colorado should be good enough.

For us non-boarders, what do you mean by carve.

I'm normally a skiier but decided to try my luck at boarding this past weekend and well, my entire body hurts. I haven't decided whether i'm normal or goofy yet. Normal, I like how my stronger right leg can easily change directions of the board, while goofy, I feel putting more weight on my right leg.

Any tips? I got the easy one, using the back/heel edge of the board, but always fall when I make the transition over to leaning on the forward/toe edge.

each time you carve, during the part of the turn withn your board is facing forwards you'll speed up pretty quickly for a moment. people tend to freak out. the key is to just keep looking in the direction you want to turn and follow through. i know it sounds cheesey but TRUST YOURSELF. the more you freak out, then more you'll want to sit on your ass during the moment it's quick and thats when you have the least control over your board.
 

Mo0o

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As far as clothing go, you should look into overalls for the bottom. i know they look dorkier but once you put on a jacket you can't tell and it'll be a big help when you start wiping out. It's easy for snow to go down the back when you just have pants.

if you're really only doing this once or twice then theres no point in getting really good goggles, as long as they offer some UV protection. if its not a sunny day and its snowing then goggles become pretty clutch.

a thick waterproof snowboarding jacket can be used for just general winterwear so you can spend a little more on that

hats, just get soething that goes down to your ears

gloves, i know northface makes gloves with an removable inside layer. it's pricier but its pretty sweet since you can dry out the inside much quicker that way. if this is your first time pretty much everything is going to get wet. when yo'ure tumbling down a hill snow has a way of finding every gap in your armor
 

CTrain

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The most common mistake beginner tend to do is to put weight on their back foot.
They are afraid if they put weight on the front foot, they will go faster and lose control.

Its important to put weight on the front foot so you have control of your turns.
Turning left and right often gives you controls and let you go how fast you want to go.

Its a little hard at first to trust leaning with your front foot first but when you get it, you just know it.
 

m2kewl

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Originally posted by: CTrain
The most common mistake beginner tend to do is to put weight on their back foot.
They are afraid if they put weight on the front foot, they will go faster and lose control.

Its important to put weight on the front foot so you have control of your turns.
Turning left and right often gives you controls and let you go how fast you want to go.

Its a little hard at first to trust leaning with your front foot first but when you get it, you just know it.

surfing is leaning on your back foot - 'boarding is leaning on the front foot. i agree learning to carve straight out is going to help you much more then attempting to go straight down the hill :p

too bad the northeast suck a$$ for ski/'boarding right now. i'd kill to get into CO and hit some serious resorts!!
 

OutHouse

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ButterMilk is the best resort in Colorado.

i hope you have fun, the slopes are great now.
 

SandInMyShoes

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I think some people are skiers, some are boarders, and some are both. I was very comfortable with skiing in less than two days. At the end of my day of boarding, my wrists were very sore, and I was still on the bunny slope.

Some tips: Cheap Gore-tex bib pants and a jacket from eBay are what I wear, they keep me warm and dry. Layers are key. I layer up with a flannel jacket or three underneath, depending on how cold it is. My legs have been good down to 10F or so with just jeans and bibs on. Socks are important; Spend the $10 or so and grab a pair of SmartWool or some other sock with a good wicking action that's comfortable. Cotton socks are can make for a miserable day, especially if they happen to get wet. For headgear, I personally prefer a balaclava to a stocking hat; my face is sensitive to cold, though. Cheap goggles will suffice, but they tend to fog easily if you exhale onto them, or if you work up a steady sweat. The worst thing you can do is take them off and/or wipe them off, especially on the inside. They'll clear faster if you just leave them on. If you wipe off the anti-fog coating, some Kat Krap (available at ski shops) will really help.

If you decide to go with the skis, here's a few tips that might really help keep you on your feet in turns; I just wish somebody had told me from the get-go!
~Don't snowplow/wedge to stop. Keep your skis parallel and turn to the side hard enough to break traction, so you're sliding sideways down the hill. If you keep your skis parallel, you're still in control and can pull out of the slide when you want. If you're making a right-hand turn, shift your weight to your LEFT leg, lean into the turn, and turn your ankles in so you're on the right-side edges on your skis. It take a bit of practice, but the sooner you get to where you can shift alot of weight to your outside ski, the better. The idea is to have the inside (uphill) edge of your downhill (outside) ski control your turn, with your uphill ski just following along for the ride. The two keys here are to get used to transferring your weight to that downhill ski; I was nervous at first, but once I got used to putting all my weight on the downhill ski, my turn abilities improved immensely. The other key is to turn those ankles in far enough that the downhill edges on your skis don't catch on bumps or patches of snow.

Another important tip for when you are finally comfortable with skiing but want to improve your turns some more: Keep your chest and shoulders pointed downhill, and focus your eyes on where you want to go. Your lower body should be making the turns, so you there's much less negative transfer of momentum. I was a mediocre skier for days, not comfortable with taking steep runs since I couldn't carve turns back and forth very fast. Once someone took 30 minutes to coach me on keeping my upper body pointed downhill throughout the turns, and to throw all my weight on the outside ski, I suddenly was tearing up the worst Copper Mountain had to offer, and it felt easy. :)

If you want cheap rentals, go to Virgin Islands ski shop in Dillon. It's on the west side of the main drag in a strip mall, just south of I-70. Last season skis/boots/poles could be had for $12/day, and snowboards/boots for $20/day. That was much cheaper than any other place I've priced in Summit County.
 

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In 00-01, I put in a ski lift at Keystone.

Make sure that you dress with warm layered clothing.

Also, If you are not used to the altitude; plan on taking it easy the first day. You become winded very very early.
 

Scarpozzi

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You're new, spend time on peak 7 if it's open. 8 and 9 are steeper.

You might want to consider checking out Copper Mountain while you're there. It's smaller, but usually less crowded too. It actually had more snow than Vail, Breck, and Keystone the last couple of times I went.

I wish I could go with you....I probably won't get out west this year due to money committments. :(