Am I the only person who thinks this ISN'T a good idea?
(Couldn't decide whether to put this in Games, P&N or OT...)
(Couldn't decide whether to put this in Games, P&N or OT...)
Six Days in Fallujah
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AstroManLuca
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I think they can pull it off. Won't be easy, but hopefully their military consultants are able to contribute enough for it to be both realistic and appropriate. The worst thing that could happen would be if marketing takes the thing over and insists on turning it into another generic shooter.
But we've already seen games like Call of Duty 4 explore a little more depth in terms of storytelling. More than "you're a soldier/space marine/gruff ex-con out for blood." I'd like to see that expanded upon in this one.
But we've already seen games like Call of Duty 4 explore a little more depth in terms of storytelling. More than "you're a soldier/space marine/gruff ex-con out for blood." I'd like to see that expanded upon in this one.
Why exactly is this a bad idea? There has been games and movies based on war events in the past you know, even unsuccessful ones like Blackhawk Down.
God you're a moron.
God you're a moron.
AstroManLuca
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Haha, no kidding. WTF Looney? He's a "moron" for thinking it might not be a good idea but encouraging a discussion? :roll:
I don't see a anything wrong with it. I just hope its a good game. On a slightly related subject: Why is it that no one can make a good fps set in vietnam?
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jonks
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Well his name is Looney...
It's a questionable idea at least from a PR standpoint since we still have soldiers dying in Iraq. WWII theater games there's a certain detachment and 60+ years of reconciliation. That said, if there's a mission to pull Saddam out of a rabbit hole, I'm in!
AstroManLuca
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I guess that's why CoD 4 always referred to "a country in the middle east" or simply "the middle east" during the missions, though the cutscenes zoom in on maps that reveal you're in Saudi Arabia.
Vietnam, though? Sure, it's more recent than WWII, and it was more controversial, but the war has still been over for decades.
If you are put off by this idea then you should feel the same about the dozen+ of WWII games that are far worse by default.
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Personally, I would find this a little more distasteful if it was just some meeting-spawned concept to capitalize on current affairs to turn a buck, but these soldiers actually want this story told, and through this medium. If it's respectfully done, it could be very good.
jonks
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I think the nature of representing an ongoing war as entertainment is the issue, and OP is hardly alone if he thinks it might prove controversial.
http://www.gamepolitics.com/20...tsix-days-fallujahquot
Surely you can at least see some difference in perception among even non-gamers about a game depicting the Napoleonic Wars vs a current conflict in which people are still dying?
As to WWII, there are plenty of people who object to making games out of that too.
AstroManLuca
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I think some people might feel that making a *game* out of a war that is happening at this very moment, in which American soldiers are dying, is somehow making light of the situation. Of course, that's the general public. Most gamers would probably say that just because something is a game doesn't mean it's lighthearted, happy, and totally unrealistic. Not that games are the most realistic things ever but it's possible for a game to be serious. Still, there's going to be controversy no matter what.
Some things will offend anyone so you can't worry too much about those things. I'm sure some soldiers will see such a game as an important part of telling the story of their service and sacrifice, while others won't be too happy about it. But the same could be said for movies or any other pop culture depiction. I'm guessing most soldiers would rather there be some form of mass media to raise public awareness of what things are really like, as long as that media is faithful to what they see. I just hope they manage to avoid slipping into cliches and ensure that the soldiers are depicted in the way that they personally want.
EDIT: In response to the link jonks posted, I think the younger soldiers might be a little more accepting of a game than the older ones. Younger people tend to accept games as just another medium for telling a story, on the same level as movies, books, and so on. Older people or those who don't care for video games see them as being somehow baser or less serious. Would the same people who object to the creation of a game about Fallujah also be opposed to a movie about it? What if that movie took pains to stay as true to reality as possible, while showing the perspectives of everyone involved in it, military, insurgent, and civilian alike?
I thought COD4 takes place in Azerbaijan, which is a real Middle East nation (but they have the location wrong)
AstroManLuca
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They switch between doing SAS missions in Azerbaijan and doing USMC missions in "the Middle East." Azerbaijan is sort of in the Middle East, depending on where you draw the borders of a nebulous region... it's in the Caucus mountains, between Russia and Iran.
Someone else looked closely at where the map was zooming and said the USMC missions take place in Mecca, Riyadh, and Basra. Not sure in which order.
EDIT: According to Wikipedia, Azerbaijan is not considered part of the traditional Middle East, but is instead lumped in with a region called the "Greater Middle East."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Middle_East
Ok, my bad.
As a infantry Marine that served in Iraq (Ramadi, not Fallujah, though) I see no problem with the idea, especially as there are Marines advising the programmers. Biggest thing I have a problem with is seeing movies or games that obviously didnt bother to consult even a single former servicemember on any part of it. It's especially bad when it's a big budget production (Newest I can think of is Max Payne, how much would it cost to even have one former lance coolie watch the movie before release?)
As a infantry Marine that served in Iraq (Ramadi, not Fallujah, though) I see no problem with the idea, especially as there are Marines advising the programmers. Biggest thing I have a problem with is seeing movies or games that obviously didnt bother to consult even a single former servicemember on any part of it. It's especially bad when it's a big budget production (Newest I can think of is Max Payne, how much would it cost to even have one former lance coolie watch the movie before release?)
I dont think its a bad idea at all.
I would like very much to see this game. Ive been to Fallujah many times, thru it, and missions in it. It would be nice to see if some of the major streets are accurate. As odd as it may seem, I find myself missing the action, and environment since Ive been home.
I would like very much to see this game. Ive been to Fallujah many times, thru it, and missions in it. It would be nice to see if some of the major streets are accurate. As odd as it may seem, I find myself missing the action, and environment since Ive been home.
Things like this make me wonder if the war movies from the 50's 60's and beyond about WW2, Vietnam, etc offended soldiers with their very unrealistic portrayal of solders' lives and situations. Actors portraying soldiers wearing freshly pressed combat fatigues going about their business happily in a combat zone, etc.
What we have now seems much more "realistic" as far as portrayal of actual conditions people went through (Band of Brothers, BlackHawk Down, etc).
What we have now seems much more "realistic" as far as portrayal of actual conditions people went through (Band of Brothers, BlackHawk Down, etc).
Supposedly Kuma/War 2 is now using the Source engine and should be improved though I haven't tried it yet. Kuma/War 1 was pretty bat though.
As for modern military FPSes, as long as you treat the subject matter with respect, i don't think there are any problems with it.
I can see how they would think that way, at least initially, however I also think that they really aren't truly thinking it through. Why is it ok to have a game based on wars that are over vs. ones that are going on now? Did what my grandfather do mean nothing now that it is over? Should he not be appalled and I not feel guilty when I take joy at haphazardly storming the beaches? I'm not saying he does or I do, I'm just saying it shouldn't matter.
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