Sitting on the fence

Nathelion

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So I have found myself thinking that my P4 Prescott 3.0 GHz really doesn't hack it anymore. That is, I can't play SupCom on it, and since it has turned into my favorite time-killing activity...
I'm planning on doing a bigger upgrade down the road - that means sometime next year. Nehalem sounds cool, and so does whatever-it's-called AMDs next thing after Agena. I'm a college student and rather poor, so I'm not planning on spending much money unless I need to, that is, unless I can get a lot of value out of my investment.

Currently I have a P4 3.0GHz Prescott, an ASUS P4P800-E DELUXE, 2 GB of Corsair DDR-400 (it can go to ~230 MHz until timings have to be seriously loosened), and a GeForce 7600 GT AGP 8x. This is housed in a black Antec medium-size case, I honestly couldn't tell you what model it is. Now: I want to get away with an upgrade that doesn't cost me much more than $100 (actually, the equivalent in SEK, I'm currently in Sweden). I have an offer to buy a Abit Fatal1ty an8 sli, socket 939, for $45 or so. I could get a budget AND refurbished S939 mobo for ~$30. Looking around I can find an Opteron 165 for $138 (although the specs say HT2000, which confuses me; I thought these only came with HT1000), a 4200+ X2 for $134, an Opteron 170 for $165, and an X2 3800+ for $153. Worth noting is that the two opterons come with a HSF; the two X2s are both lacking, IE. I'd have to get one at additional cost. I might be able to look around and shave a buck or two off of these prices, but not a significant amount. I've been looking around for over 2 hours just on CPUs.
The cheapest budget boards with an AGP slot are ~$40-$50, so they do command a price premium. I'd have to get a new PCIe card, presumably a budget variety.

To recoup some of the cost I'll be selling my processor, motherboard, and, depending on whether I end up getting an AGP or a PCIe motherboard, my graphics card. I should be able to sell the graphics card for ~$100, and since PCIe cards are cheaper I figure that might actually be a free upgrade. Since PCIe can also travel with me when I upgrade, I figure that I can afford to spend more money on the card.

So now it's down to your advice: How do these processors stack up against each other? I chose to investigate the S939 platform first, since the AMD procs generally seem to be cheaper in the low-end segment, and one has to go S939 for DDR support with AMD. The whole point of the scheme was to not have to replace the still-somewhat-decent RAM. Do you think I could find a cheaper and/or significantly better upgrade if I move to S775? How much of a performance boost will the aforementioned upgrades give me? Keep in mind that my P4 does OC to ~3500 MHz if I push it. I'm fully willing to overclock the living crap out of any parts that I end up getting, but since I won't be spending any money on after-market cooling the resulting performance gains may not be all that impressive.

Gentlemen, what are your thoughts?
 

JWade

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why consider a skt 939 when its discontinued? if you want to have an upgrade path, go with either a board that supports c2d's or go with an am2.
 

Nathelion

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I don't necessarily care about an upgrade path. Since I'm sitting with all obsolete components (DDR1, socket 478) I'm more looking for a cheap upgrade than a complete system overhaul. I want to postpone the complete overhaul for as long as possible. That said, do you think I could find a cheaper/better solution if I went with socket 775? I just started with S939 because it seemed like it might be cheaper.
 

Cybercraig

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Wade is right. You'd have to have a screw loose to build out a 939 or stick with AGP at this point. Unless you have some killer PC4000 laying around go AM2 with a PCI-E card and E-bay the rest of your stuff. Prices have been slashed on AM2 stuff and DDR2 memory is cheap. I'll take your 7600GT card for my back-up! (The PCI-E version will crush the AGP versions) ;)
 

bigpow

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if u could find a used 939 combo (mobo+cpu) with agp & ddr slots, then that'd be the cheapest upgrade.
if the mobo has PCIe, then u'll have to spend some $ for vidcard (don't skimp here, consider it part of ur next big upgrade)

but buying 939 platform new, is definitely not going to offer you the best bang for ur buck
 

Nathelion

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Quick question: Which is faster, a 4200+ X2 or an Opteron 165? And how would those two compare to an E4300 C2D?
 

Cybercraig

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4200x2 runs at 2.2ghz. Opty165 runs at 1.8ghz. You have to O/C the Opteron to reach 4200 speeds. The CoreDuo will beat both of them at most things.
 

sayNOtoFSB

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Asrock motherboard w/ ULi1695 chipset is best AGP board out ther and overclocks well.
This board is the vsta version of the famouse asrock dual sata board.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813157097
I would get an Opteron 170 and overclock it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103586
W/ those 2 you will have pretty good system to last you a good while.
here is a thread regarding asrock board. in that forum you will find bunch of other threads regarding this board's voltmods and other tweaks.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=411749
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=440021
keep on klicking on all pages in that "motherboard" forum and you will find several other threads concerning this board. the asrock dual sataII and asrock dual vsta board are the same board, onlt that the newr addition has (sataII) chip compatable w/ window vista where as the older version will only work in IDE mode for sataII(you will still be able do raids w/ sataI on the older board).
anyway just check those threads and you will finds lots of good info.
good luck
 

MarcVenice

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The multiplier might make things easier, but that's nothing a ram divider can't fix.
 

bigpow

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I've got a question to answer your question: which one is faster, Opty 170 or X2 3800+ at 2.5G? :)
I think they're all gonna feel as fast (from bottleneck of other components)
I'd say, get the cheapest (used) one.

1) Never buy new if it's for stop-gap
2) Never count overclocking number as a target - it's a Bonus!
 

nyker96

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ANother possibility is VSTA-4CoreDual which allows DDR400+AGP card while support core 2/core quad. It's a cheap transitionf or you. This thing allows you to OC a E4300 to about 2.7Ghz which is plenty muscle compare to AMD side. Cost about 55 plus C2D 4300 is at 115 or so. All other components can stay. You upgrade fee is at $170 and you don't need to selttle for any crapy 50 dollar PCI card. You can keep that 7600GT running. If you do a g-card upgrade this board also support PCI-E like 7900gs. So you can upgrade your rig piece-wise, later when you get DDR2, this board take that too. So you get flexibility and time to upgrade slowly.