SiSoft Leaks AMD FX "Zambezi" Scores: Worse Than Intel Core i7

[nenforcer]

If AMD scores a trifecta with all 3 new console architectures(Nintendo Wii U, Sony Playstation 4 and Microsoft XBOX 720), as rumored, it will definitely have paid off in the acquisition of ATI.

They will have bet the future on Fusion and won!

 

[BlueBlazer]

It was definitely a cherry deal for ATI's shareholders.

Anytime you manage to sell high, that is going to mean someone else is buying high.

AMD's M&A activity though is questionable, they seem to find themselves buying high and selling low.

Qualcomm laughed all the way to the bank on AMD's dime as well.

The sad part is that so did Hector

Remember former ATI CEO, Dave Orton, that left after the acquisition? :hmm:

 

[Meghan54]

Corporate ethics thing with me, I'm the guy that will drive across town to avoid going into a Wal-Mart.

You must lead a tough life. How do you buy gasoline, given your disdain for bad corp. ethics? Or buy almost anything? Have yet to see many corp. entities that are truly altruistic or even close to being warm hearted. Outside Newman's Own, not many out there.

 

[Majic 7]

You must lead a tough life. How do you buy gasoline, given your disdain for bad corp. ethics? Or buy almost anything? Have yet to see many corp. entities that are truly altruistic or even close to being warm hearted. Outside Newman's Own, not many out there.

+1
Not sure what world some people think they live in. Corruption and kickbacks are so institutionalized in this world people don't even realize what they are looking at. I remember a newscast from years ago. Bubble brain junior reporter doing a filler for our tax dollars at work. Standing by a new bus stop, regular three sided glass enclosure with a roof and a bench. Commenting on how it cost 100,000$ like that was perfectly normal. This is when you could buy a new four bedroom house for that amount of money. Saw a supposed quote from some CEO that he does something indictable at least once a week. Wouldn't surprise me. Anyone who wants to avoid evil corporations is going to end up in the wilds, naked and wielding a pointy stick.

 

[Arzachel]

All this talk about BD having lower IPC than Llano and even Bobcat reminded me of something from the old thread:

JF-AMD posting: IPC increases!!!!!!! How many times did I tell you!!!

terrace215 post: IPC decreases, The more I post the more it decreases.
terrace215 post: IPC decreases, The more I post the more it decreases.
terrace215 post: IPC decreases, The more I post the more it decreases.
.....}
until (interrupt by Movieman)

Regards, Hans

BD is on its way to getting negative IPC!

 

[inf64]

The thing is : terrace guy posted waay too much!

 

[Arachnotronic]

Hint: "IPC" = instructions per clock. With a 8 little cores working in parallel, you can increase IPC over six core Stars even if the per-core performance is lower

 

[AtenRa]

Hotchips August 2010

Mike Butler, AMD Fellow and Chief Architect of Bulldozer

We never lost sight of the importance of single threaded execution

 

[Nemesis 1]

The thing is : terrace guy posted waay too much!

Thats from your perspective . He was just countering your and others over hype he was balance. You got alot of people banned at XS.over the last 6 years YOUR PH I hype was the same.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Fusion... that's the only big reason why AMD acquired ATI. As you can see, it's definitely paying off now, even if it's five years later. AMD has sold around 12 million APUs in less than a year.

As far as architectures go, you're definitely right. AMD is still using a 2003 architecture in 2011. Given that, if Bulldozer has made no improvements on it, it'll suck from day one.

I defended the ATI purchase for a long time based on Fusion. Personally, however, I am somewhat disappointed in Fusion, especially on the desktop. I guess I thought originally that when fusion came out it would have an improved CPU architecture as well. Anyway, if I were buying a notebook, I would definitely look at an AMD APU system. On the desktop, however, I dont think the integrated graphics is strong enough to make up for the mediocre CPU performance. Just get an intel CPU or even an AMD quad without the APU, and add a discrete card. Or if you are not interested in gaming, the HD2000 on the Sandy Bridge CPUs is sufficient for most purposes.

I dont know the sales figures for Fusion, so I assume you are correct that they are selling well. Just dont know if they are making much profit on such low end products.

 

[Idontcare]

Hint: "IPC" = instructions per clock. With a 8 little cores working in parallel, you can increase IPC over six core Stars even if the per-core performance is lower

That's not the traditional use or meaning of the term IPC.

It would be wholely disingenuous to redefine IPC at this juncture to be an "at the socket level" meaning versus the expected definition which is "at the core level".

Even for AMD, going back to Phenom vs. Athlon X2 the discussion of K10 IPC vs K8 IPC was on a core-normalized basis, at no point was the term intentionally misused to imply "aggregate instructions per clock stemming from all cores contained within the socket".

If AMD marketing comes out now and attempts to claim that they meant this new definition of "IPC" is what they meant would not be decreasing with bulldozer over phenom II then I will be truly disgusted at the efforts to intentionally mislead.

 

[sequoia464]

You must lead a tough life. How do you buy gasoline, given your disdain for bad corp. ethics? Or buy almost anything? Have yet to see many corp. entities that are truly altruistic or even close to being warm hearted. Outside Newman's Own, not many out there.

I do what I can do - however insignificant. I recognize the realities but it doesn't mean I have to accept them. I agree with your statement about corporations in general, I just try to go with the lesser of the evils when I can.

I have a small business myself and I see and feel the effects of business ethics personally, probably why it matters more to me than some.

I shouldn't have commented on this initially at all, as this thread is about bulldozer not corp ethics, I should have kept the 2500K that I returned and I wouldn't even need to be following the Bulldozer threads - kicking myself about that one.

 

[Idontcare]

I do what I can do - however insignificant. I recognize the realities but it doesn't mean I have to accept them. I agree with your statement about corporations in general, I just try to go with the lesser of the evils when I can.

I hope you can recognize the self-defeating aspects of relying on yourself to be the judge of what you think to be an evil corp versus a lesser evil corp.

The truly evil corp will be so good at being evil that it will deftly convince you that IT is the lesser evil.

Unless you view yourself to be supremely intelligent to the collective brains employed at evil corp XYZ, you have to acknowledge the reality that you are led to believe whatever they want you to believe about any given corporation.

In your efforts to be noble you may well be an unwitting supporter of the bigger evil. A pawn is a pawn and nothing leaves you more open to manipulation by others than your own ignorance.

I know I am ignorant of the truth of what goes on between AMD and Intel, at best we are exposed to half-truths from both as they see fit in their marketing efforts to prop themselves up while putting their competition down.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Thats from your perspective . He was just countering your and others over hype he was balance. You got alot of people banned at XS.over the last 6 years YOUR PH I hype was the same.

The idiot mods at XS are the real villains in getting people banned.

Inf64 is just your typical dumbarse AMDroid.

Personal attacks are not permitted in these forums. Please refrain from this type of posting in the future.
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[inf64]

Uh I see I have a couple of "fans" here .
Nice to see you again Chad,was missing your ramblings at XS /sarcasm

Anyhow,we have more leaks from Sisoft,this time it's Valencia. While it does score somewhat better than that Zambezi chip ,in both int and fp benchmarks,it still is kinda slower in integer per core than MC/Lisbon generation. So translated: not good. In FP it trounces MC core but that was kinda expected. Integer is still prevailing workload in server and desktop (90% of all workloads are integer),so if nothing changes with retail chips ,Zambezi will have a hard time versus Thuban.

 

[Idontcare]

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[inf64]

@ mods
Sorry guys,but they started their BS so what can I do? I basically didn't respond to their provocations,just added few more names to ignore list.Much better now. It's also a good offtopic filter since now I see only relevant posts .
Anyhow I won't respond to their provocations any more.

Back to topic. I have posted some comparisons versus "old" Magny Cours sisoft results here. I reckon it's easier to just link to the topic over there than to re-post everything here.

 

[drizek]

Here's an interesting thing to consider, if AMD never bought ATI, INtel would have continued to rely on them and nvidia to make chipsets, and they might never have developed something like Sandy Bridge with an integrated IGP or Quicksync.

 

[Idontcare]

@ mods
Sorry guys,but they started their BS so what can I do? I basically didn't respond to their provocations,just added few more names to ignore list.Much better now. It's also a good offtopic filter since now I see only relevant posts .
Anyhow I won't respond to their provocations any more.

Back to topic. I have posted some comparisons versus "old" Magny Cours sisoft results here. I reckon it's easier to just link to the topic over there than to re-post everything here.

First, use the reported-post feature by clicking the

button located in the lower-left corner of their post, underneath their post-count and join-date stats.

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Public responses are viewed as "taking the bait and reprising" which is treated equally as the originating offense of baiting itself. Two wrongs don't make a right, yaddi yadda.

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[inf64]

Ok ,thanks Idontcare! I haven't got any PMs so far,but you never know .

 

[Mem]

I dont know why someone would even bother to post all that crap when it is obviously slower than a phenom X6. Why not compare directly to phenom? Why even muddy the waters by putting intel in there? If it cant even beat previous generation amd, then it is doa. So these guys need to stop with the intel clusterFUD.

You could argue all these benchmarks are pointless until we see official benchmarks from Anandtech and other well known web sites when NDA is finally lifted etc...end of the day we can only speculate a guess on what we have seen so far .

Personally I'm staying neutral until I see official benchmarks,once they are officially out I'll make my decision on my next upgrade ie BD or 2500K.

I only know one thing,either AMD or Intel will get my money next month (actually it could be both ).

 

[RussianSensation]

Here's an interesting thing to consider, if AMD never bought ATI, INtel would have continued to rely on them and nvidia to make chipsets, and they might never have developed something like Sandy Bridge with an integrated IGP or Quicksync.

I think the main issue is not that AMD purchased ATI, but:

1) The timing was awful both from ATI's stock price/AMD's cash flow at the time
2) The price premium paid considering 0 competing bids.
3) AMD decided to purchase ATI 5 years before Fusion was technically feasible while full well behind C2D with Phenom I still > 1 year away from launch. Management was well aware of all of this...

I also think Intel was looking to put a GPU inside a CPU as soon as possible. They simply weren't able to do it back then since technology didn't allow it. I doubt Fusion had anything to do with it since Intel was selling IGP for a long time. So it would have made a lot of sense to integrate it into their future CPUs to save costs, eventually anyway.

 

[aigomorla]

I WANT REAL TESTED SCORES!!!

im hearing too many things from the left.. the left... and then too many things from the right.. the right!

someone from up just drop us the ball with real scorees!

 

[LondonBurning]

AMD has an announcement tomorrow, we'll see guys, we'll see...

 

[Idontcare]

AMD has an announcement tomorrow, we'll see guys, we'll see...

I thought we were all in agreement in concluding that tomorrow's announcement is going to be entirely fusion related (the unlocked Llano's for desktop enthusiasts) and have nothing to do with bulldozer/zambezi?