Single-Sex Schools Score Big Victory

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The Bush administration is following through on a promise to make it easier for school districts across the country to operate girls-only and boys-only schools, drawing praise from advocates who say parents will now have more choices for improving their children's education.

?We think we are going to see all-boys schools and all-girls schools popping up all over the country,? said Tom Carroll, founder and chairman of Brighter Choice Charter Schools (search) in Albany, N.Y. ?[The administration] is basically stopping a 30-year effort to stamp out the efforts of single-sex schools. They?re basically calling off the dogs, so to speak.?

But not everyone is happy with the plan. Paving the way for girls-only and boys-only public schools and classrooms means tinkering with Title IX (search) of the 1972 Educational Amendments Act (search). Critics say the administration is undermining three decades of gender-based civil rights progress.

?Single-sex education basically says we will separate, but everyone will have an equal education,? said Nancy Zirkin, deputy director of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights (search), a coalition of 180 civil rights organizations. ?We know that in the context of race that is unacceptable, and we don?t know how in the context of gender it can be acceptable.?

?It would turn back the clock to a time when girls were excluded from athletics and various levels of advanced education ? when girls were not expected to rise to the level or complete the task,? said Jocelyn Samuels, vice president of the National Women?s Law Center (search), who added that separating boys and girls will revive old stereotypes and undermine efforts to teach tolerance and understanding.

Over the years, Title IX regulations have been synonymous with providing equal access for females to scholastic sports, though it addresses anti-discrimination in all educational settings.

The most well-known element of Title IX are restrictions on publicly-funded high schools and colleges only to offer male sports programs when they can also provide an equal number of female programs. Title IX rules also say a single-gender classroom can be established as long as there is equal access to the same programs for the opposite gender.

As part of "No Child Left Behind," (search) educational reforms enacted in 2002, the Bush administration was permitted to take a look at Title IX stipulations and perhaps relax them to allow school districts to open single-gender schools without being forced to open a mirror school for the opposite gender. The new rule, which is expected to go into effect after a 45-day public comment period on the proposal, states that districts only have to ensure that the same educational opportunities exist for the other gender, and that they can be offered in a nearby co-ed school.

As far as same-sex classes within a co-ed school are concerned, according to the new rule, the district will still have to justify the need, and offer equal opportunities for both genders, but the requirements are more relaxed under the administration?s proposal.

Department of Education officials say girls-only and boys-only schools are and always will be voluntary for districts and parents.

Single-gender schools are already operating. The Young Women?s Leadership Foundation (search), which runs a successful girls-only school in the Harlem section of New York City, has achieved a 100 percent college placement rate. Its administrators hail the changes as opening up new opportunities for minority, inner-city youth.

?Single-sex education is not for everyone, it is a choice,? said foundation director Maureen Grogan. ?Parents and students in public schools deserve the opportunity to choose single-sex schools, just like their peers in private, parochial and yeshiva schools.?

Supporters of girls-only and boys-only schools also say evidence is mounting to indicate that boys and girls can learn better in such atmospheres. Carroll said girls can achieve more in non-traditional subjects like math and science. Boys, particularly those coming from disadvantaged families and with emotional problems, benefit from more focused, disciplined curricula. Both have positive results from stripping away social pressures of co-education.

?We found in our schools, in the last year and a half, tremendous differences where the boys and girls were learning because academically, we?ve been able to tailor to what their needs are,? he said. Brighter Choice runs two schools ? one for boys and one for girls, from kindergarten through grade 10. The Brighter Choice schools have been receiving public money because they comply with the old Title IX rules.

Opponents of girls-only and boys-only schools say there is no hard evidence to suggest that separating the genders in school will help solve these problems. Currently, 24 publicly-funded girls-only and boys-only schools in the United States are subjects of educational studies that have yet to be concluded.

While some critics say they worry that splitting the sexes will hurt girls trying to achieve academic equality, supporters point to all-female schools to show that the freedom to break free of gender expectations has resulted in exceptional female leaders and academicians.

?If my child is a young girl, and I see promise in mathematics and science but she is shy in social settings, I may come to the conclusion that she would do better in a single-sex setting,? said Deborah Perry Piscione, senior fellow at the Independent Women?s Forum (search) and co-author of ?Unfinished Business: A Democrat and a Republican Take on the 10 Most Important Issues Women Face."

?I want to put her in the position where she is going to excel,? Piscione said.

But Samuels said she fears just the opposite will happen.

?We?d be teaching kids that stereotypes would be permissible, like parental beliefs that girls are less interested in math and science,? she said.

As a product of an all male highschool I can personally say I don't think this is a good thing from a social standpoint, but educational I will admit I focused more on schoolwork than trying to impress anyone.
 
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Originally posted by: bozack
The Bush administration is following through on a promise to make it easier for school districts across the country to operate girls-only and boys-only schools, drawing praise from advocates who say parents will now have more choices for improving their children's education.

?We think we are going to see all-boys schools and all-girls schools popping up all over the country,? said Tom Carroll, founder and chairman of Brighter Choice Charter Schools (search) in Albany, N.Y. ?[The administration] is basically stopping a 30-year effort to stamp out the efforts of single-sex schools. They?re basically calling off the dogs, so to speak.?
?I want to put her in the position where she is going to excel,? Piscione said.

As a product of an all male highschool I can personally say I don't think this is a good thing from a social standpoint, but educational I will admit I focused more on schoolwork than trying to impress anyone.

freedom of parental choice is a good thing.
 

conjur

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"?It would turn back the clock to a time when girls were excluded from athletics and various levels of advanced education ? when girls were not expected to rise to the level or complete the task,? said Jocelyn Samuels, vice president of the National Women?s Law Center (search), who added that separating boys and girls will revive old stereotypes and undermine efforts to teach tolerance and understanding. "

How will not having boys in the school preclude girls from being able to participate in athletics? :confused:

As a product, myself, of an all-boys Catholic high school, I can say the only thing I suffered from was a lack of pretty girls to look at during the day. I was still able to socialize (after-school activities).
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: conjur
"?It would turn back the clock to a time when girls were excluded from athletics and various levels of advanced education ? when girls were not expected to rise to the level or complete the task,? said Jocelyn Samuels, vice president of the National Women?s Law Center (search), who added that separating boys and girls will revive old stereotypes and undermine efforts to teach tolerance and understanding. "

How will not having boys in the school preclude girls from being able to participate in athletics? :confused:

As a product, myself, of an all-boys Catholic high school, I can say the only thing I suffered from was a lack of pretty girls to look at during the day. I was still able to socialize (after-school activities).

Shocked as I am I will have to agree with this, however I will also add that I feel alot of social awkwardness could have been avoided had I attended a co ed high school, thank goodness for my large University to correct that problem...
 

conjur

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Well, schools *are* supposed to educate us, not teach us how to talk to girls (or boys if you're a girl) ;)
 

Zebo

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I went to an all boys school and it def helped me focus in the 3r's and sports instead of chasing girls and all the "image" things associated with it. Also it allows dorks to come into thier own without added peer pressure of girls around while thier on the sidelines. Same for ugly girls. Go bush. Vouchers would fix all our ed problems.
 

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Parental choice is good. I just moved to LA and am having to pay 10k per year for private school for my kids. I also have to pay property taxes that subsidize the worst schools in the nation. When is enough enough?
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I thought Brown vs. Board of Education ruled that 'separate but equal' was unconstitutional...no?

race not sex. same reason you can't walk into female restroom w/o being arrested and thousands of same sex schools exist.

Of course I do wonder about title 9 and how females are justified draining the bank when no one watches them all for parity sake. compare that to thier male counterparts that can pay for thier scholarships in one home game.:disgust:
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Gravity
Parental choice is good. I just moved to LA and am having to pay 10k per year for private school for my kids. I also have to pay property taxes that subsidize the worst schools in the nation. When is enough enough?

Lucky for U ca has low prop tax. I don't know how many kids you have but is'nt it amazing what private can do better for cheaper? My public school disrict spends ~9K per student I'm guessing LA is simliar, while I can send all three to private for around the same price. Need I mention college entrance and SAT scores comparisons?
 

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Same sex schools are a little weird at first, but you get used it. I can honestly say that I don't think the community aspect could have been any nicer. It has made high school enjoyable. And its not like girls are cut out of your life completely.
 

Romans828

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Can gay kids go to the same sex school of the opposite sex in order to reap the benifits of reduced distractions? if they can then its fair and I am all for it............
 

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Originally posted by: Gravity
Parental choice is good. I just moved to LA and am having to pay 10k per year for private school for my kids. I also have to pay property taxes that subsidize the worst schools in the nation. When is enough enough?

The problem in California has many reasons. Amongst them is the per student expenditures are among the lowest any the largest states. There also seems to be a correlation between the decrease in the per student expenditure and the drop in school performance. I also seem to remember that there is more red tape now. I've heard horry stories about how difficult it was for teachers to even get necessary equipment for their classes. The funny part of many increase in funding is that it comes with more restrictions. I remember that the bill Arnold help Bush pass, had so many stipulations that little or no money was ever awarded. I guess nothing in this world is really free.
 

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Single sex schools in the UK seem to mostly outperform mixed schools, although that might partly be to do with the type of school (ie: private/elitist).

Personally, I would rather go to a mixed school (most of my closest friends are female, overall probably a 50/50 mix of males and female friends), going to an all male school would be weird, but it might have its educational advantages.

People should be able to make their own choice, there should be schools that can be single sex, if so desired, but people will not be forced to go to them, so it's not a real issue. If parents aren't happy, they can make their own choice.
 

Romans828

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Romans828

Say what?

I assume you were trying to be sarcastic.

Not in the least........ its a valid concern

Then I can safely say that you are a complete and utter moron.
(and I normally don't like to insult people but I have no choice here)

Then I can safely say that you are a complete and utter moron.

I forgive you for that ugly mean spirited remark........ obviously your very flustered and not yourself right now

 

conjur

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Yes, I get "flustered' when dealing with people who lack the capacity to think logically.
 

Romans828

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Originally posted by: conjur
Yes, I get "flustered' when dealing with people who lack the capacity to think logically.


I actually think, I think very logically....... I am a mechanical engineer by profession BTW