Single PCB GTX295

[thilanliyan]

http://en.expreview.com/2009/0...utlined.html#more-2812

 

[Puffnstuff]

I want a single pcb with two 285's on it and then I'll consider making the purchase.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Puffnstuff
I want a single pcb with two 285's on it and then I'll consider making the purchase.

Isn't that essentially what the link claims nVidia is working on?

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Puffnstuff
I want a single pcb with two 285's on it and then I'll consider making the purchase.

Isn't that essentially what the link claims nVidia is working on?

The clock and performance of GTX295 remain unchanged during this transition, and 6pin+8pin power connectors are employed. Added a back plate, the pricing of new GTX295 won?t be influenced.

 

[masteryoda34]

Good to see nvidia is finally doing this. I for one hope the GTX 295 is the last sandwich card we see. I'm betting ATI will bring a 4890 X2 and nvidia will use this as a "new" competitor.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Thermals will be worse with the new design though. Similar to how the 4870x2 runs hotter than the GTX295

 

[masteryoda34]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Thermals will be worse with the new design though. Similar to how the 4870x2 runs hotter than the GTX295

RV770 and GT200 are different chips though. I don't see how your comparison is germane.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Thermals will be worse with the new design though. Similar to how the 4870x2 runs hotter than the GTX295

Actually, I think the GTX295 runs hotter. Hmm, I just wonder how nVIDIA will cool this, not to mention the PCB layout nightmare (2 G200 chips, 12 memory chips per GPU, 512bit memory bus, NVIO chip, SLi bridge etc).

What I dont like about this is that this wont influence the pricing.

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Thermals will be worse with the new design though. Similar to how the 4870x2 runs hotter than the GTX295

Actually, I think the GTX295 runs hotter. Hmm, I just wonder how nVIDIA will cool this, not to mention the PCB layout nightmare (2 G200 chips, 12 memory chips per GPU, 512bit memory bus, NVIO chip, SLi bridge etc).

What I dont like about this is that this wont influence the pricing.

Well, the article says pricing won't be influenced, but it also says the cost of the card can be significantly reduced. Demand is not high enough for this part for both of those statements to be true. I'd expect discounts at retail if costs are reduced, in the absence of a MSRP cut.

 

[josh6079]

Perhaps the sandwich 295 models will have a price reduction to clear inventory?

It's not surprising though to hear that they'll try to keep the price the same while reducing manufacturing costs.

 

[MrK6]

Originally posted by: mmnnoWell, the article says pricing won't be influenced, but it also says the cost of the card can be significantly reduced. Demand is not high enough for this part for both of those statements to be true. I'd expect discounts at retail if costs are reduced, in the absence of a MSRP cut.

As it stands, the GTX 295 supply is way under demand (hence prices have actually gone up since launch). The new card design will probably get the product to the more than willing customers, and NVIDIA won't have to do a thing with the pricing. After the dust settles though, prices will no doubt have to go down, especially when it's possible to get a GTX 260 in the $150-175 price range now.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Thermals will be worse with the new design though. Similar to how the 4870x2 runs hotter than the GTX295

Actually, I think the GTX295 runs hotter. Hmm, I just wonder how nVIDIA will cool this, not to mention the PCB layout nightmare (2 G200 chips, 12 memory chips per GPU, 512bit memory bus, NVIO chip, SLi bridge etc).

What I dont like about this is that this wont influence the pricing.

Well, a single PCB design doesn't allow as much airflow around the chips as a sandwich card. A 4870x2 runs hotter, where a GTX295 runs cooler, but remember the 295 expells some air in your case so you need to get it out. It's a different design on the cooler. The new one should work more like a 4870x2 does and other single PCB/Single GPU cards do. It may be hotter core temp on the GPU but the air that gets moved is expelled out the back of the case instead of how it is now where some of the air from the GTX295 is pushed into your case and you have to deal with slightly raised case temps in exchange for a slightly cooler GPU temp.

Cheaper to manufacture might mean cheaper to buy in the long run so it's cool. I'm sure the tolerances on these GPUs are pretty high when it comes to temps.

 

[zebrax2]

nm

 

[alcoholbob]

Hopefully the cooler is upgraded in that case.