Single payer in California: can doctors still charge more?

[omega3]

So California's senate wants to go single payer where all healthcare would be free and state funded. Not sure I like that. What if you're working and earning well for yourself and can afford a more expensive doctor. Won't that doctor be allowed to charge extra anymore? Is California gonna pay for his higher fee?

Read this for context: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/single-payer-california-brown-trump/

 

[Sea Ray]

I'm sure boutique doctors who charge more will still be in vogue. These doctors charge a set amount per mo or per yr just for the priviledge of being your doctor

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I don't know exactly how it will play out but if providers are underfunded then they can and will vote with their feet, or become sex workers like the Brits

 

[dank69]

When shopping around for a service I'm always looking for a more expensive option.

 

[JSt0rm]

There are already "concierge" doctors. You just dont know about them because you are a poor or under the tops 1%. Also you will still be able to buy insurance for more coverage aka aflak style. Dont worry. It will be great as proven by the world. I will be excited to renegotiate my salary based on the fact my employer is no longer saddled with my health insurance.

 

[ivwshane]

Is it wrong for me to hope that those states that move towards single payer universal coverage also includes language that bars outsiders from other states from participating? Is wrong of me to not want to cover people who have no interest in covering those who have actively prohibited this nation from progressing who have voted for politicians who want government out of health care? Yes I know there are people in those states that are held hostage to the policies of others but my hope is that because they are barred from progress they will become more politically active and rid their state of the cancer that impedes them from progress.

Blue states already subsidize red states which I'm ok with except for the fact that they use their influence at the federal level to impede progress.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Is it wrong for me to hope that those states that move towards single payer universal coverage also includes language that bars outsiders from other states from participating? Is wrong of me to not want to cover people who have no interest in covering those who have actively prohibited this nation from progressing who have voted for politicians who want government out of health care? Yes I know there are people in those states that are held hostage to the policies of others but my hope is that because they are barred from progress they will become more politically active and rid their state of the cancer that impedes them from progress.

Blue states already subsidize red states which I'm ok with except for the fact that they use their influence at the federal level to impede progress.

Yeah, it's wrong. A state which uses it should cover an out of state visitor, but said visitor should be mandated to read a pamphlet of exactly why they don't have universal coverage in their home state.

 

[ivwshane]

Yeah, it's wrong. A state which uses it should cover an out of state visitor, but said visitor should be mandated to read a pamphlet of exactly why they don't have universal coverage in their home state.

What are they paying insurance for? I'm not interested in supporting a bunch of moochers. That's the attitude they have right? Fuck you I got mine. Why shouldn't I have that same attitude? Why should their stupidity be my problem?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There are already "concierge" doctors. You just dont know about them because you are a poor or under the tops 1%. Also you will still be able to buy insurance for more coverage aka aflak style. Dont worry. It will be great as proven by the world. I will be excited to renegotiate my salary based on the fact my employer is no longer saddled with my health insurance.

Weren't you the guy who said that if professionals felt themselves abused and no longer provided mob rule would result in them being attacked. Something like that, but maybe someone else.

 

[Jaskalas]

When shopping around for a service I'm always looking for a more expensive option.

The opposition's premise is that if it's "single payer" to the masses, then there will be "long lines" and people dying from non service.
What you read is a guy wishing he could pay more to avoid said lines. It's fear.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

What are they paying insurance for? I'm not interested in supporting a bunch of moochers. That's the attitude they have right? Fuck you I got mine. Why shouldn't I have that same attitude? Why should their stupidity be my problem?

Meh, we (as a nation) are going to support sick/injured people in one way or another. At least this way people can get educated and possibly vote for changes within their own state.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The opposition's premise is that if it's "single payer" to the masses, then there will be "long lines" and people dying from non service.
What you read is a guy wishing he could pay more to avoid said lines. It's fear.

Considering the fellow I know of who waited three years for a hernia operation I'd say there's some grounds for concern. The utmost priority is cost containment and that is done in significant part by rationing, that is making things hard to obtain.

 

[JSt0rm]

Weren't you the guy who said that if professionals felt themselves abused and no longer provided mob rule would result in them being attacked. Something like that, but maybe someone else.

I dont know what you are talking about.

 

[Jaskalas]

I dont know what you are talking about.

There are locations with long wait times before healthcare is provided.
It is the prime factor driving opposition to single payer, the fear that it breaks the healthcare system and in turn harms people.

 

[JSt0rm]

Considering the fellow I know of who waited three years for a hernia operation I'd say there's some grounds for concern. The utmost priority is cost containment and that is done in significant part by rationing, that is making things hard to obtain.

sure. where is this story?

 

[JSt0rm]

Considering the fellow I know of who waited three years for a hernia operation I'd say there's some grounds for concern. The utmost priority is cost containment and that is done in significant part by rationing, that is making things hard to obtain.

I found it.

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/waits+three+years+hernia+surgery/9781988/story.html

Thats your buddy huh?

 

[JSt0rm]

lmao read that dudes story and he had surgery for colon cancer and is free of cancer.

 

[JSt0rm]

There are locations with long wait times before healthcare is provided.
It is the prime factor driving opposition to single payer, the fear that it breaks the healthcare system and in turn harms people.

Show me.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I found it.

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/waits+three+years+hernia+surgery/9781988/story.html

Thats your buddy huh?

I don't know, it might have been. "Know of" isn't "know".

But care gets rationed when cost containment is an issue.

 

[echo4747]

What happens if you are a resident of CA and travel/vacation to another state and need health/hospital services? Will the other states have to accept this insurance

 

[zerocool84]

So it seems people only have two ideas about Healthcare, you either wait a long time for it or never get it at all.

 

[JSt0rm]

What happens if you are a resident of CA and travel/vacation to another state and need health/hospital services? Will the other states have to accept this insurance

If they are getting paid why would they care?

 

[ivwshane]

If they are getting paid why would they care?

Paid by who and using who's price list?

 

[ivwshane]

So it seems people only have two ideas about Healthcare, you either wait a long time for it or never get it at all.

You've exposed why health care is a national issue and not a state one.

 

[echo4747]

If they are getting paid why would they care?

Becaause they may not be paid at a rate acceptable to what they charge