Single-particle interference observed for macroscopic objects

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With a variation on the famous double-slit experiment of quantum mechanics, scientists Yves Couder and Emmanuel Fort from the University of Paris 7 are rewriting the textbooks. Their accomplishment, however, has less to do with quantum mechanics than with an observation once considered experimentally impossible: the wave-particle double nature of a macroscopic object (an oil droplet and its associated surface wave).

The droplet, which is about 1mm (10 million times larger than an atom), is also one million times larger than the second largest object--a 2-nm molecule called a buckyball--whose wave-particle duality was observed in 2003.

?The interest of our result comes from the fact that we observe single particle diffraction and interference with a classical system,? Couder told PhysOrg.com. ?This phenomenon was thought to be reserved to the quantum scale.?

Although there is no specific dividing line between the quantum and macroscopic scales, an object larger than an atom generally has much too small a wavelength to be detected. Wave-particle duality, one disturbing chapter of quantum mechanics, means that all objects (quantum and macroscopic) sometimes behave like waves and show interference, and other times like particles--objects that have mass and obey conservation laws. Duality, though strange, could explain why objects seem to be in two places at the same time and communicate instantaneously across distances. These abilities, to scientists, would be even more difficult to reckon with than wave-particle duality, which is accepted as an "interpretation" of the world rather than a literal description.

http://www.physorg.com/news78650511.html
 

destrekor

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More proof that we, with our puny little brains, will never fully understand the universe. Nor will we ever be able to define the exact mechanisms which control everything we observe in the world.
And that saddens me.
 

IHAVEAQUESTION

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Originally posted by: destrekor
More proof that we, with our puny little brains, will never fully understand the universe. Nor will we ever be able to define the exact mechanisms which control everything we observe in the world.
And that saddens me.

If anything, it shows human brain is capable of more, and maybe one day we will be able to fully understand the universe.

 

Hacp

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Why are we rewriting the textbooks again? Isn't this predicted by quantum theory?
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: destrekor
More proof that we, with our puny little brains, will never fully understand the universe. Nor will we ever be able to define the exact mechanisms which control everything we observe in the world.
And that saddens me.

If anything, it shows human brain is capable of more, and maybe one day we will be able to fully understand the universe.
To do that, our brains would need a serious upgrade. They're really not all that great.

 

Fritzo

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I was just discussing this with the ladies in my church group today over coffee and crumpets.
 

IronWing

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Since freshman physics students never get to the chapter on quantum theory (too busy dropping balls off their rights hands) this shouldn't be an issue.
 

IHAVEAQUESTION

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: destrekor
More proof that we, with our puny little brains, will never fully understand the universe. Nor will we ever be able to define the exact mechanisms which control everything we observe in the world.
And that saddens me.

If anything, it shows human brain is capable of more, and maybe one day we will be able to fully understand the universe.
To do that, our brains would need a serious upgrade. They're really not all that great.

Not really. Give human a few thousand years we will have everything sort out.

 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: destrekor
More proof that we, with our puny little brains, will never fully understand the universe. Nor will we ever be able to define the exact mechanisms which control everything we observe in the world.
And that saddens me.

If anything, it shows human brain is capable of more, and maybe one day we will be able to fully understand the universe.
To do that, our brains would need a serious upgrade. They're really not all that great.

Not really. Give human a few thousand years we will have everything sort out.

You have far too much faith in the human race. I don't share your optimism. ;)
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: destrekor
More proof that we, with our puny little brains, will never fully understand the universe. Nor will we ever be able to define the exact mechanisms which control everything we observe in the world.
And that saddens me.

If anything, it shows human brain is capable of more, and maybe one day we will be able to fully understand the universe.
To do that, our brains would need a serious upgrade. They're really not all that great.

Not really. Give human a few thousand years we will have everything sort out.

You have far too much faith in the human race. I don't share your optimism. ;)

Our brains are already getting a serious upgrade, computers.
Just having the internet now makes us tremendously more capable of a species than before in advancing our technology. Our brains do not just work individually, but the mammalian brain is meant to be a social brain, in which brains work together collectively to continue the process of evolution. And in terms of the social brain, it is being upgraded exponentially.

Technology and scientific discovery is only advancing at a geometrically faster rate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

With neural processors being built now and brain computer interface technology on the rise, it seems plausible that our individual brains can be upgraded in the near future as well.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: Devine
Anybody want to translate that into laymen's terms?

the plane no longer takes off

More like the plane exists in a weird quantum state where it simultaneously does and does not take off, depending on whether it's being observed.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: destrekor
More proof that we, with our puny little brains, will never fully understand the universe. Nor will we ever be able to define the exact mechanisms which control everything we observe in the world.
And that saddens me.

If anything, it shows human brain is capable of more, and maybe one day we will be able to fully understand the universe.
To do that, our brains would need a serious upgrade. They're really not all that great.

Not really. Give human a few thousand years we will have everything sort out.
In a few thousand years, homo sapien will no longer be around. At least, my god, I hope not. That'd be horrid stagnation - or else a sign that we'd succumbed to our primitive idiocy and gone for all-out nuclear war and blasted ourselves back a thousand years. Or assuming an accurately-aimed coronal mass ejection doesn't devastate the power grid.

Technology is advancing at an impressive rate. To still be stuck with these severely limited brains in a few thousand years would be simply tragic.


My only worry is the usual human manner of screwing up a good thing with greed for power. Genetic manipulation and technological augmentation could be done to great benefit to the species, but there will invariably be those who will seek to do so for purposes of maintaining military superiority over others. Yay, dandy, using our big brains to find better ways of oppressing, terrorizing, and murdering others. Unfortunately it's something we seem to have a knack for doing.
Hopefully one day that kind of behavior will quietly find its way to extinction.

 

Farang

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: destrekor
More proof that we, with our puny little brains, will never fully understand the universe. Nor will we ever be able to define the exact mechanisms which control everything we observe in the world.
And that saddens me.

If anything, it shows human brain is capable of more, and maybe one day we will be able to fully understand the universe.
To do that, our brains would need a serious upgrade. They're really not all that great.

Not really. Give human a few thousand years we will have everything sort out.
In a few thousand years, homo sapien will no longer be around. At least, my god, I hope not. That'd be horrid stagnation - or else a sign that we'd succumbed to our primitive idiocy and gone for all-out nuclear war and blasted ourselves back a thousand years. Or assuming an accurately-aimed coronal mass ejection doesn't devastate the power grid.

Technology is advancing at an impressive rate. To still be stuck with these severely limited brains in a few thousand years would be simply tragic.


My only worry is the usual human manner of screwing up a good thing with greed for power. Genetic manipulation and technological augmentation could be done to great benefit to the species, but there will invariably be those who will seek to do so for purposes of maintaining military superiority over others. Yay, dandy, using our big brains to find better ways of oppressing, terrorizing, and murdering others. Unfortunately it's something we seem to have a knack for doing.
Hopefully one day that kind of behavior will quietly find its way to extinction.

go plant a tree you fucking hippie
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: destrekor
More proof that we, with our puny little brains, will never fully understand the universe. Nor will we ever be able to define the exact mechanisms which control everything we observe in the world.
And that saddens me.

If anything, it shows human brain is capable of more, and maybe one day we will be able to fully understand the universe.
To do that, our brains would need a serious upgrade. They're really not all that great.

The good thing is that our collective brains can work as a cluster. No one should assume that any one individual--a single human brain--can be capable of comprehending everything about the Universe.

Our collective brains, our vast resource of collected knowledge across many disciplines, may indeed be able to comprehend all there is to comprehend.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: destrekor
More proof that we, with our puny little brains, will never fully understand the universe. Nor will we ever be able to define the exact mechanisms which control everything we observe in the world.
And that saddens me.

If anything, it shows human brain is capable of more, and maybe one day we will be able to fully understand the universe.
To do that, our brains would need a serious upgrade. They're really not all that great.

Not really. Give human a few thousand years we will have everything sort out.

You have far too much faith in the human race. I don't share your optimism. ;)

This is a sign that you have spent too much time on ATOT.
:beer: