since when was saying someone looked like a monkey considered racist?

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since we were kids, my friends and i joked around saying so-and-so looked like <insert animal that kid looked like>.
if he a had long face, it was a horse. long neck? giraffe. spiky hair? porcupine. pretty common.

now expressing that another person looks like a monkey is racist?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/25/google.michelle.obama.controversy-2/

(CNN) -- For most of the past week, when someone typed "Michelle Obama" in the popular search engine Google, one of the first images that came up was a picture of the American first lady altered to resemble a monkey.

On Wednesday morning, the racially offensive image appeared to have been removed from any Google Image searches for "Michelle Obama."

Google officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

Google faced a firestorm of criticism over the episode. First, it banned the Web site that posted the photo, saying it could spread a malware virus. Then, when the image appeared on another Web site, Google let the photo stand. When a Google image search brought up the photo, an apologetic Google ad occasionally appeared above it.

The ad redirected users to a statement from Google which read, "Sometimes Google search results from the Internet can include disturbing content, even from innocuous queries. We assure you that the views expressed by such sites are not in any way endorsed by Google."

The California-based company then explained that search results rely on computer algorithms that take into account thousands of factors.

"The beliefs and preferences of those who work at Google, as well as the opinions of the general public, do not determine or impact our search results," it said.

The company said that the integrity of its search results is extremely important.

"Accordingly, we do not remove a page from our search results simply because its content is unpopular or because we receive complaints concerning it."

A user alerted Google to the picture via an online help forum two weeks ago.

The altered image can be found here, although clicking on this link will take users to a photo that many will find offensive.

The Internet was abuzz Tuesday and Wednesday with reaction to the image. Some online users demanded that the photo be blocked, while others said it should remain on free speech grounds.

"There is no way to defend this heinous incident," said a Twitter user who gave her name as Alheli Picazo of Calgary, Canada. "People often claim their right to free speech to mask blatant racism and insulting bigotry and always seem to get away with it," she told CNN via e-mail. "When it comes to issues of discrimination, hiding behind free speech just doesn't cut it."

A Twitter user who gave his name as Jerry Wright of Hoboken, New Jersey, disagreed.

"I am absolutely disgusted by this picture, but the Internet has thousands and thousands of offensive images. Should Google get rid of all of them? Where do you draw the line," he asked CNN via e-mail.

In 2004, Google posted a similar note of apology when a search for "Jew" pulled up anti-Semitic sites as top results.

Among the factors that Google uses to rank its results is how many sites link to an image or a Web page. Users have sometimes artificially inflated a search ranking through coordinated efforts, known as "Google bombing."

With Google letting the Obama image stand, a Twitter user who identified herself as Jill Harper of Indianapolis, Indiana, suggested a different tack: Point out the person who posted the photo.

"Instead of Google deleting the photo, there should be a campaign against the person who posted the photo," she said by e-mail. "Make a publicized attack noting the outrage of displaying such an offensive photo. This way, the person who posted it would feel the public outcry to pull the photo."
 

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Lifer
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Since racists have believed that black people are "less evolved" than white people and therefore closer relatives to monkeys.
 

Crono

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It's all about context and intent.

I call my brother a monkey because I think he looks like Curious George (from the books, not the former president :p).

Sometimes people will read too much into things when it comes to sensitive issues like race, but yes, sometimes even saying something like a person looks like a monkey can be used in a racist way.
 
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Is this racist?

bush_monkey3.jpg
 

DVad3r

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As someone that has been exposed to racism I can say that a lot of Europeans associate black people with apes/monkeys/banana's/coconuts/palm tree's.

Does it mean that calling someone a monkey is racist? It can be depending on what context it is used. I agree that some people, regardless of color, do look like certain animals.
 

theflyingpig

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Black people use the race card whenever it benefits them. Also, it's ok for black people to say racist things about other races. They are just lashing out for years of oppression and slavery by the white man. Everyone knows this.
 

zeruty

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I can confidently say that a white person born in the US today will most likely face more discrimination based on race throughout their life than a person of any other race.

Hell... when I had to go through my employer's discrimination training, it was clearly stated in the program that if you have two equally qualified candidates where one is white, and the other is a minority, that you should hire the minority because diversity is good. Personally I find this highly offensive. The only consideration should be skills and qualification for the job. If you have two people who are equally qualified, you should choose by some factor like who applied first or something.
 
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DVad3r

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I can confidently say that a white person born in the US today will most likely face more discrimination based on race than any other race.

Hell... when I had to go through my employer's discrimination training, it was clearly stated in the program that if you have two equally qualified candidates where one is white, and the other is a minority, that you should hire the minority because diversity is good. Personally I find this highly offensive. The only consideration should be skills and qualification for the job. If you have two people who are equally qualified, you should choose by some factor like who applied first or something.

It's very offensive but sadly it's a reality, especially here in Toronto. That's why I should go to Japan, maybe I'd have a better chance at getting a government job there than here. I went to get my passport last summer and not one clerk working there was white, sad.
 

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I can confidently say that a white person born in the US today will most likely face more discrimination based on race than any other race.

Hell... when I had to go through my employer's discrimination training, it was clearly stated in the program that if you have two equally qualified candidates where one is white, and the other is a minority, that you should hire the minority because diversity is good. Personally I find this highly offensive. The only consideration should be skills and qualification for the job. If you have two people who are equally qualified, you should choose by some factor like who applied first or something.

Agree with you there. Affirmative action is bull when it comes to hiring practices. If you want to help out minorities and individuals from lower income backgrounds, fight the disadvantages these groups face by investing in the neighborhoods and education of the children in areas that don't receive enough support. Hiring one person over another on the basis of race - whether that person is black, white, Hispanic/Latino, etc - is racial discrimination, and it's not right.

The best way to erase the injustices of the past is to focus on doing right in the present.
 

Cattykit

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Considering how blacks were sought and perceived as some sort of monkeys in slavery days(even Voltaire,) it is racism.
 

Cattykit

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I can confidently say that a white person born in the US today will most likely face more discrimination based on race throughout their life than a person of any other race.

Hell... when I had to go through my employer's discrimination training, it was clearly stated in the program that if you have two equally qualified candidates where one is white, and the other is a minority, that you should hire the minority because diversity is good. Personally I find this highly offensive. The only consideration should be skills and qualification for the job. If you have two people who are equally qualified, you should choose by some factor like who applied first or something.

Think about the shit that was still going on even in the 70's. Blacks were serverly surpressed and they couldn't grow socially. I believe it's only right that we give them advantages to compensate injustices that were done.

In other words, U.S system systematically gave them disadvantages for ages and now that things just gotton better, we can't just say we're now all equal thus we should all have 50/50 competition.
 

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I can confidently say that a white person born in the US today will most likely face more discrimination based on race throughout their life than a person of any other race.

Hell... when I had to go through my employer's discrimination training, it was clearly stated in the program that if you have two equally qualified candidates where one is white, and the other is a minority, that you should hire the minority because diversity is good. Personally I find this highly offensive. The only consideration should be skills and qualification for the job. If you have two people who are equally qualified, you should choose by some factor like who applied first or something.

As a white person born in the United States I can confidently say that I was better off being born white than any other race, and there's no way in hell I'd choose to change my race if given the choice. Anyone who says they would is a damn fool (unless they're not white).
 

frostedflakes

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The image is racist, but I'm glad Google stood their ground. Removing search results that people find distasteful is just ridiculous, it's not Google's job to regulate content (barring illegal material, of course). And making a big stink about this is counterproductive, it's only going to cause the image to be mirrored on more sites and gain more publicity. Look up the Streisand effect.