Since I have come to the conclusion tha America is dying of conservatism...

Moonbeam

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I have been doing some research of late on the nature of the conservative brain. Know thy enemy as they say. And as a random choice of references to a book just ready for reading on this topic I randomly selected this from the Daily Kos:


The Conservative Brain

by hannahFollow .

So, Chris Mooney is publishing a book on the conservative brain, linking it with the Republican party and the denial of the theory of global warming. But, as usual, he's looking at results and looking for causes that, from where I sit, are merely correlations.

Well, I think we need to understand three points in order to understand why conservatives act this way. And I will list them here, before going into them in more detail:
1.Conservatism is a Defensive Ideology, and Appeals to People Who Want Certainty and Resist Change.
2. "Morality" Impels Climate Denial -- and in particular, conservative Individualism.

3.Fox News is the Key "Feedback Mechanism" -- whereby people already inclined to believe false things get all the license and affirmation they need.

And what I'd argue is that the people who have found a home in the Republican party are people who suffer from some sensory deficits. That is, they are lacking most, if not all, of the following:
sense of time
sense of direction
sense of order
sense of connection
sense of surroundings
sense of place
sense of sequence
sense of temperature
sense of rhythm
sense of situation

They exist in the center of the universe, looking out and, if they don't see something, it doesn't exist. So, since they can't see themselves, their sense of self is missing, as well.
Why have these sensorially deprived people found a home in the Republican party? I suspect it's because, being endemically uncertain about their situation and insecure, they appreciate having a leader to tell them what to do and that's what the "re" in the word Republican stands for, a "rex" or leader of and from the public.
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Another study in England suggests that the fear part of the brain is larger in conservatives, which all ties in.

It seems clear to me that if the conservative brain is out of whack and irrational, we need to do something to to try to prevent defectives from running the show. The first issue is that because paranoids are control freaks, they are going to invest huge amounts of energy to resist this.

Now just as it's challenging to get a drunk into rehabilitation, it is going to always be preferable that folk go to the doctor themselves.

So how do we inform folk who are defective in their vision to see that themselves? Is there any way we can help them to help themselves?

Some thoughts I have:

Suppose their brains really are defective when it comes to political thinking and they tend to vote paranoid schizophrenic. They are not going to want to see it if we call it as a disease. Denial is going to kick right in. Folk are fearful of having something wrong with them. So surely there are conditions in which it is evolutionary beneficial to be defective and we need to look for them. The paranoid may sometimes maybe function like geese, warning of impending danger. We know also that just because you're paranoid doesn't mean folk aren't out to get you. But we don't want the geese in control of nuclear weapons.

As stated above, one of the characteristics of conservatives is that they don't see themselves. I tell them this all the time and they say they don't see it. Well duh.

So I thought as my theme for this thread I would go with the following idea:

We can ask ourselves how we came to think as we do. My guess is that conservatives won't have given that matter very much thought at all and that what they think is what they have been told to think. But that's a terrible place to be because you could have been told anything. This means that a conservative has no more idea that what he believes isn't as absurd as the garbage some suicide bomber that grew up in a madrassa believes.

So what I thought is that we can ask ourselves how we came to believe what we believe. Are we questioners, self examiners, self critics or have we just always known what we know. Recognizing that you have never really looked at what you believe, torn it apart from within, could begin to indicate to those like that they are blind and don't really know anything.

Did you have to destroy everything you were taught as an inculcated delusion that couldn't hold up under honest self scrutiny? Have you ever been plagued by doubt? Are you still have a literal belief in the religion you grew up in?

Take a look around. Aren't those others out there you fear just like you and isn't it you they are afraid of? Why would anybody want to really be like that, deny reality because you are afraid. This is a well known psychological phenomena. It's called the ostrich with its head in the sand. Wouldn't it make you proud of yourself to grow up past that?
 

amish

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is there a like study on liberal brains? oh wait, that's right, they don't have any! *rimshot*

in all seriousness, it is hard to take mass generalizations like this seriously. i'm "conservative" and i don't watch fox news, i don't read ann coulter, and i think rush limbaugh has more commercials in his show than actual thoughts. so on to your questions starting with the second to last paragraph.

1. no, I was taught to make my own decisions based on the fact at hand and dismiss those blinded by lemming syndrome. this includes listening to my father's ramblings and rantings.

2. plagued by doubt...yes. what if I joined the military instead of going to college and listening to my parents. what if i didn't get married. what if blah, blah, blah. none of it is important as we still have to get by day to day.

3. literal belief of religion...nope. religion is just another tool used to influence others. i believe that it has lost its meaning. I'm "catholic", as in I haven't been to church since my grandmother died and I don't plan on going back anytime soon due to the way people think about their beliefs.

4. nope, I really don't fear other people. I have nothing to fear in people.

5. I'm not sure how to answer that.
 

monovillage

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You don't understand conservatives and since you hate what you can't understand, you hate us. It's ok moonie, we still love you even with the hatred.
 

Moonbeam

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amish: is there a like study on liberal brains? oh wait, that's right, they don't have any! *rimshot*

in all seriousness, it is hard to take mass generalizations like this seriously.

M: I don't see mass generalizations. I see descriptive indications of type.

a: i'm "conservative" and i don't watch fox news, i don't read ann coulter, and i think rush limbaugh has more commercials in his show than actual thoughts. so on to your questions starting with the second to last paragraph.

M: Maybe you aren't a real conservative.

1. no, I was taught to make my own decisions based on the fact at hand and dismiss those blinded by lemming syndrome. this includes listening to my father's ramblings and rantings.

2. plagued by doubt...yes. what if I joined the military instead of going to college and listening to my parents. what if i didn't get married. what if blah, blah, blah. none of it is important as we still have to get by day to day.

3. literal belief of religion...nope. religion is just another tool used to influence others. i believe that it has lost its meaning. I'm "catholic", as in I haven't been to church since my grandmother died and I don't plan on going back anytime soon due to the way people think about their beliefs.

4. nope, I really don't fear other people. I have nothing to fear in people.

5. I'm not sure how to answer that.

M: Not sure I know what 5 asked.

Thanks for answering.
 

xj0hnx

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You don't understand conservatives and since you hate what you can't understand, you hate us. It's ok moonie, we still love you even with the hatred.

It's not conservatives that he hates, it's himself.
 

kranky

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Wait, if they have no sense of self, how can they hate themselves?
 

boomerang

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I responded in a thread a few years back with this link and quote. A certain someone was crowing that conservatives, blah, blah, blah.

Looks Like Conservatives Are Just Big Scaredy Cats!

So, let’s go over this scholarly work.
- Conservatives have no courage, which means all the courageous soldiers in the world are progressives. Those war mongering, baby killers!

-Conservatives have larger amygdalas which accounts for their fear of terrorism. But the fear of global catastrophic weather, acid rain, DDT, freon, the Zeitgeist, inside jobs, the patriot act, carbon dioxide, sugar, salt, Wal-Mart, alar, non-unions, prayer in school, SUV’s, guns, cul-de-sacs, pesticides, the white nuclear family, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, black conservatives, job performance testing, David Horowitz lecture tours, Fox News, drawing Mohammad etc. remains a mystery to researchers.

-conservatives like to plan based on the worst-case scenario, while liberals tend towards rosier outlooks which is a fancy way of saying that conservatives are more responsible for their actions, while liberals do not care about, nor try to foresee, the consequences of their dumbass theories.
 

monovillage

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Moonie, in case you're interested i'm pretty familiar with Chris Mooney and his writings. He gets quite a bit of coverage in Dr. Judith Curry's blog and has for a couple of years. Some have to do with his position, others to do with his political writings. Here's a link to about 20 fairly short articles that him or his work is mentioned.

http://judithcurry.com/?s=Chris+Mooney
 

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The right wing is simply going extinct. The Republican Party is kept around just for appearances alone. The United States with one party? What are we Mexico?! The base as people call it of the right wing revels in fear. They engulf their lives in all sorts of fantasies that would make one despair.

MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY NEED THEIR LORDS

The hive fathers Limbo, Hannity, Savage, Levine and more are paid to shepard the flocks daily. This is a basic freedom that the right does not have as their lords simply control them. They're impregnated with vicious indoctrination daily on how to think.

I'm sure the right wing will evolve into something else simply out of necessity. But it is pathetic to watch a group of people cling to a idiotic ideology to the bitter end.

We are on a verge of 40 years of Democrat rule in Congress. I wonder what cheap villain the next Newt Gingrich will be.
 

xj0hnx

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The right wing is simply going extinct. The Republican Party is kept around just for appearances alone. The United States with one party? What are we Mexico?! The base as people call it of the right wing revels in fear. They engulf their lives in all sorts of fantasies that would make one despair.

MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY NEED THEIR LORDS

The hive fathers Limbo, Hannity, Savage, Levine and more are paid to shepard the flocks daily. This is a basic freedom that the right does not have as their lords simply control them. They're impregnated with vicious indoctrination daily on how to think.

I'm sure the right wing will evolve into something else simply out of necessity. But it is pathetic to watch a group of people cling to a idiotic ideology to the bitter end.

We are on a verge of 40 years of Democrat rule in Congress. I wonder what cheap villain the next Newt Gingrich will be.

People like you seriously need to unplug, and visit the real world. Your view is nothing more than stereotypical internet partisan leprosy.
 

cubby1223

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selected this from the Daily Kos:

Your keen ability to recognize accurate, knowledgeable articles goes a long way to explaining a lot of your posts.

This would be like looking to Rush Limbaugh for research on the mind of a progressive.
 
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Moonbeam

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Moonie, in case you're interested i'm pretty familiar with Chris Mooney and his writings. He gets quite a bit of coverage in Dr. Judith Curry's blog and has for a couple of years. Some have to do with his position, others to do with his political writings. Here's a link to about 20 fairly short articles that him or his work is mentioned.

http://judithcurry.com/?s=Chris+Mooney

Your keen ability to recognize accurate, knowledgeable articles goes a long way to explaining a lot of your posts.

This would be like looking to Rush Limbaugh for research on the mind of a progressive.

The Daily Kos...WOW! Absolutely no ideological slant there right?

I began my OP with these words:

"I have been doing some research of late on the nature of the conservative brain. Know thy enemy as they say. And as a random choice of references to a book just ready for reading on this topic I randomly selected this from the Daily Kos:"

Thank you monovilliage. The new book I was talking about is The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science and Reality by Chris Mooney.

This is the book that I went on the internet to get some info about to kick off the discussion. The Kos site was the first site I found and that is where I took some data from the research the book contains. I could have as easily found something on Fox news but there are probably reasons why that wasn't on the first page of the google search I did.

So cubby and Karl, I have never been to Kos before today that I know of and probably won't go again, but your paranoid insistence that the site was chosen for its bias is typical of the conservative brain. You live in a sea of biased minds that are out to get you. Note however that fear of paranoid minds is not dementia but a well founded danger the straight jacket and sedatives are meant to cure.
 

monovillage

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I hope you find the articles as interesting as I found them. I also hope you enjoy the blog.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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is there a like study on liberal brains? oh wait, that's right, they don't have any! *rimshot*

in all seriousness, it is hard to take mass generalizations like this seriously. i'm "conservative" and i don't watch fox news, i don't read ann coulter, and i think rush limbaugh has more commercials in his show than actual thoughts. so on to your questions starting with the second to last paragraph.

1. no, I was taught to make my own decisions based on the fact at hand and dismiss those blinded by lemming syndrome. this includes listening to my father's ramblings and rantings.

2. plagued by doubt...yes. what if I joined the military instead of going to college and listening to my parents. what if i didn't get married. what if blah, blah, blah. none of it is important as we still have to get by day to day.

3. literal belief of religion...nope. religion is just another tool used to influence others. i believe that it has lost its meaning. I'm "catholic", as in I haven't been to church since my grandmother died and I don't plan on going back anytime soon due to the way people think about their beliefs.

4. nope, I really don't fear other people. I have nothing to fear in people.

5. I'm not sure how to answer that.

It's interesting how you think an anecdote is a sufficient counterargument to a generalization.
 

cwjerome

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America is not dying from conservatism. It's not dying from liberalism either. Actually, it's not dying at all.

America is moving farther away from her potential though... due to a combination of social-political rot, permanent campaign, and money influence.
 

Greenman

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Tripe, nonsense, and FUD.

30 years ago you'd be using the same arguments against blacks. Head on over to Storm Front Moony, you'll fit right in.
 

BoberFett

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Moonbeam is so full of hatred. Such an ugly emotion. I'm not surprised to see it come from someone like him though, he has to identify "enemies" and attack them at every opportunity. It's because of his self-hate that he lashes out at others, it lets him forget how much he hates himself.
 

Jaskalas

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Since I have come to the conclusion tha America is dying of conservatism...

Moonbeam playing doctor, diagnosing the country with a disease. A 'subset' of undesirables who need to be 'cured'. As if we needed to be forced together in the first place.

You know what the greatest cure is? Freedom. Liberty within one's own state to gather likeminded individuals and shape their future for themselves, without dictation from thousands of miles away. 320 million people must not be squared up to fit in your idea of a perfectly organized box.

The delusion is that there is a disease.

Freedom to go our separate ways is all that is missing.
 

Moonbeam

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America is not dying from conservatism. It's not dying from liberalism either. Actually, it's not dying at all.

America is moving farther away from her potential though... due to a combination of social-political rot, permanent campaign, and money influence.

Moving further away from her potential leads eventually to death as in point of no return. The more the influence of wealth is directed to the acquisition of power to benefit the wealthy at the expense of the real needs of The People, the more force will be required of The People to fight back. We are in the acceleration phase that leads to revolution and repression. Conservatives are the tools the rich use to do their bidding, the rich, of course, who are interested only in riches and power. A lot of folk, of course, are rich and healthy.