Since Hamas is the elected government...

[JTsyo]

Before it could have been said that Hamas was just a terrorist operation but since they have been elected into power, I would think Israel would have much more justification in broader attacks. Since they were elected, their action are technically endorsed by the people. I think by being the official power, Hamas has opened many more doors against them.

 

[JS80]

palestinian "civilians" are certainly open game not only because they voted hamas into power, but they also help the terrorists by being human shields and hiding weapons in amongst civilians.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Wow, lots of discussions on this subject. I can say that people around the world see the picture differently now, after learning a little about Islam and its believers over the last decade. Definitely different political atmosphere (in favor of Israel).

 

[Dman877]

Like what kinds of doors? Invasion? done. Colonization? done. Oppression? done. Full scale ethnic cleansing is the next step but no one would condone it so the Israeli's have been in the same position now for decades.

Honestly, what can Israel do that hasn't been tried short of slaughtering every Palestinian? Police state? Martial law throughout ever Palestinian territory? So then half of Israel's adult male population spend their lives subjugating the natives?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JTsyo
Before it could have been said that Hamas was just a terrorist operation but since they have been elected into power, I would think Israel would have much more justification in broader attacks. Since they were elected, their action are technically endorsed by the people. I think by being the official power, Hamas has opened many more doors against them.

Very true

Just as Americans are not an innocent people either, they voted for Bush twice.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Wow, lots of discussions on this subject. I can say that people around the world see the picture differently now, after learning a little about Islam and its believers over the last decade. Definitely different political atmosphere (in favor of Israel).

Sorry to be a pessimist but I doubt the number of anti-semites will decrease even after this new "picture" the world may be seeing. I think it will be more they will treat Israel with the same anti-zionist anti-semitism, but at the same time treat palestinians with a little more contempt and maybe not see them as "innocent weak victims."

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Dman877
Like what kinds of doors? Invasion? done. Colonization? done. Oppression? done. Full scale ethnic cleansing is the next step but no one would condone it so the Israeli's have been in the same position now for decades.

Honestly, what can Israel do that hasn't been tried short of slaughtering every Palestinian? Police state? Martial law throughout ever Palestinian territory? So then half of Israel's adult male population spend their lives subjugating the natives?

No, Israel already did exactly what it had to - get the hell out of Gaza. The palestinians didn't like the thought of the armed conflict ending then and there, so they resorted to rockets.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Dman877
Like what kinds of doors? Invasion? done. Colonization? done. Oppression? done. Full scale ethnic cleansing is the next step but no one would condone it so the Israeli's have been in the same position now for decades.

Honestly, what can Israel do that hasn't been tried short of slaughtering every Palestinian? Police state? Martial law throughout ever Palestinian territory? So then half of Israel's adult male population spend their lives subjugating the natives?

What's your alternative? Kick all the jews out of the area and dissolve the state of Israel?

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Wow, lots of discussions on this subject. I can say that people around the world see the picture differently now, after learning a little about Islam and its believers over the last decade. Definitely different political atmosphere (in favor of Israel).

Sorry to be a pessimist but I doubt the number of anti-semites will decrease even after this new "picture" the world may be seeing. I think it will be more they will treat Israel with the same anti-zionist anti-semitism, but at the same time treat palestinians with a little more contempt and maybe not see them as "innocent weak victims."

Those who are anti-semites will always remain so, but they probably hate everybody anyway. The common people, who really aren't anti-semite, just show more sympathy to the situation Israel is in. It will become much more emphasized with each stunt the Muslims pull in Europe, that's for sure.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Wow, lots of discussions on this subject. I can say that people around the world see the picture differently now, after learning a little about Islam and its believers over the last decade. Definitely different political atmosphere (in favor of Israel).

Sorry to be a pessimist but I doubt the number of anti-semites will decrease even after this new "picture" the world may be seeing. I think it will be more they will treat Israel with the same anti-zionist anti-semitism, but at the same time treat palestinians with a little more contempt and maybe not see them as "innocent weak victims."

Those who are anti-semites will always remain so, but they probably hate everybody anyway. The common people, who really aren't anti-semite, just show more sympathy to the situation Israel is in. It will become much more emphasized with each stunt the Muslims pull in Europe, that's for sure.

I disagree. The "common people" you refer to who are ignorant of the situation and are anti-semitic by default are the type who aren't even intellectually curious to understand the situation. And my money is on that if they are already idiots like that, they will certainly be true anti-semites once they learn the history and truth (as exemplified by the terror-apologist anti-semites on the board who do seem to know some history and facts, yet they still side with evil - or maybe they have selective memory).

 

[Dman877]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Dman877
Like what kinds of doors? Invasion? done. Colonization? done. Oppression? done. Full scale ethnic cleansing is the next step but no one would condone it so the Israeli's have been in the same position now for decades.

Honestly, what can Israel do that hasn't been tried short of slaughtering every Palestinian? Police state? Martial law throughout ever Palestinian territory? So then half of Israel's adult male population spend their lives subjugating the natives?

What's your alternative? Kick all the jews out of the area and dissolve the state of Israel?

There are only two options that will work, Jews leave or Jews kill every Palestinian. Take your pick. They've tried middle ground for the last 50+ years. How's that worked out?

 

[JTsyo]

What did Britain do when Germans fired V8 rockets into England?
It seems that you can make a government surrender and then impose a treaty. I'm not sure on the specific situation of Palestine and the extend of it's government.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Dman877

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Dman877
Like what kinds of doors? Invasion? done. Colonization? done. Oppression? done. Full scale ethnic cleansing is the next step but no one would condone it so the Israeli's have been in the same position now for decades.

Honestly, what can Israel do that hasn't been tried short of slaughtering every Palestinian? Police state? Martial law throughout ever Palestinian territory? So then half of Israel's adult male population spend their lives subjugating the natives?

What's your alternative? Kick all the jews out of the area and dissolve the state of Israel?

There are only two options that will work, Jews leave or Jews kill every Palestinian. Take your pick. They've tried middle ground for the last 50+ years. How's that worked out?

I pick kill every "palestinian" every time. Unfortunately Israel doesn't have the balls to do so.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Lets see, 6 threads already on the topic (including this one) on the first page, and you chose to make a new one for this?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: Dman877
Like what kinds of doors? Invasion? done. Colonization? done. Oppression? done. Full scale ethnic cleansing is the next step but no one would condone it so the Israeli's have been in the same position now for decades.

Honestly, what can Israel do that hasn't been tried short of slaughtering every Palestinian? Police state? Martial law throughout ever Palestinian territory? So then half of Israel's adult male population spend their lives subjugating the natives?

No, Israel already did exactly what it had to - get the hell out of Gaza. The palestinians didn't like the thought of the armed conflict ending then and there, so they resorted to rockets.

Withdrawing to the boarders of Gaza in many ways increased the oppression, as Israel didn't have civilian settlers there to keep the boarders open for. Furthering the oppression of all Palestinians, while pulling out of Gaza, Israel continued its ongoing colonization of Palestinian land in the West Bank under force of military occupation unabated.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Dman877

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Dman877
Like what kinds of doors? Invasion? done. Colonization? done. Oppression? done. Full scale ethnic cleansing is the next step but no one would condone it so the Israeli's have been in the same position now for decades.

Honestly, what can Israel do that hasn't been tried short of slaughtering every Palestinian? Police state? Martial law throughout ever Palestinian territory? So then half of Israel's adult male population spend their lives subjugating the natives?

What's your alternative? Kick all the jews out of the area and dissolve the state of Israel?

There are only two options that will work, Jews leave or Jews kill every Palestinian. Take your pick. They've tried middle ground for the last 50+ years. How's that worked out?

I pick kill every "palestinian" every time. Unfortunately Israel doesn't have the balls to do so.

Wow. Genocide. You're a real piece of work.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JTsyo

Before it could have been said that Hamas was just a terrorist operation but since they have been elected into power, I would think Israel would have much more justification in broader attacks. Since they were elected, their action are technically endorsed by the people. I think by being the official power, Hamas has opened many more doors against them.

The argument is valid, but only to a point. Israel is not without fault in their dealings with the Palestinians and other Islamic groups. I think the Palestinians elected Hamas as much in frustration with the corruption and failure of Arafat and Fatah to improve their lot and the real suffering caused by both politics and ineptitude on the part of the Isrealis as they did because of their suffering under Isreali rule.

The more important question is how best to stop the killing and destruction going forward. It won't happen as long as Hamas is in power, or at least as long as they continue to have the destruction of Israel as their stated goal, and it won't happen as long as they allow rockets to be launched at Israel from their territory.

It won't be easy, but both Israel and the Palestinians are going to have to get beyond their ingrained mutual distrust and hatred over past wrongs and deal with the reality of the need to establish meaningful, rewarding lives for all of the real human beings living in the world as it exists, now.

Nothing else will work.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Dman877

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Dman877
Like what kinds of doors? Invasion? done. Colonization? done. Oppression? done. Full scale ethnic cleansing is the next step but no one would condone it so the Israeli's have been in the same position now for decades.

Honestly, what can Israel do that hasn't been tried short of slaughtering every Palestinian? Police state? Martial law throughout ever Palestinian territory? So then half of Israel's adult male population spend their lives subjugating the natives?

What's your alternative? Kick all the jews out of the area and dissolve the state of Israel?

There are only two options that will work, Jews leave or Jews kill every Palestinian. Take your pick. They've tried middle ground for the last 50+ years. How's that worked out?

I pick kill every "palestinian" every time. Unfortunately Israel doesn't have the balls to do so.

Neither do you, so quit acting the Fool.

 

[OCGuy]

It has begun.

Hopefully every Jihadi stands and fights like a man, so they can be turned into swiss cheese, and minimize the women and children casualites.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Wow, lots of discussions on this subject. I can say that people around the world see the picture differently now, after learning a little about Islam and its believers over the last decade. Definitely different political atmosphere (in favor of Israel).

The majority of the world is against Israel

People hate Jews.
Without the U.S Israel would burn and nobody would care. Nobody.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
It has begun.

Hopefully every Jihadi stands and fights like a man, so they can be turned into swiss cheese, and minimize the women and children casualites.

This is a rinse and repeat cycle. Same shit will be going on long after we're dead.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
It has begun.

Hopefully every Jihadi stands and fights like a man, so they can be turned into swiss cheese, and minimize the women and children casualites.

This is a rinse and repeat cycle. Same shit will be going on long after we're dead.

If all Israel does is move in for a couple weeks, kill a few figure heads, and pull back, then it will be the same.

It is time to do something more. I wish I knew what that was, but I dont. I'm not sure if they do either.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The majority of the world is against Israel

People hate Jews.
Without the U.S Israel would burn and nobody would care. Nobody.

Jews thrived in the Middle East prior to the Jewish colonization of Palestine. If Israel would put a stop to their ongoing colization of the West Bank, that time could come again.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Wow, lots of discussions on this subject. I can say that people around the world see the picture differently now, after learning a little about Islam and its believers over the last decade. Definitely different political atmosphere (in favor of Israel).

The majority of the world is against Israel

People hate Jews.
Without the U.S Israel would burn and nobody would care. Nobody.

speak for yourself!!

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: JTsyo
What did Britain do when Germans fired V8 rockets into England?

Fortunately, they had the Clamato missile defense system.