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Since China owns so much of the US' debt

Seems like their economy would crash if the United States lost... and with China so interconnected economically with the rest of the world, is it feasible for a successful war to be waged? Not that we shouldnt prepare for such a scenario, but...
 
The fact that they own so much US cash is a major reason why war with China is unlikely.
 
Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Counterpoint: Would it be to out advantage to start a war with China and call the debt moot?

then all US private investment in China would be owned, though I suppose most companies could take the hit... still the labor/etc lost would own the world.
 
Where did you read that China owns a lot of U.S. debt? There's zero reason to worry about China's economical might in even the long term.

FEATURE: Saddled with bad debt, banks seek mean, lean approach
Under the old system, state banks lent to businesses under government orders without concerning themselves with prospects for being repaid.

Even when the economic reforms were introduced to encourage financial and industrial efficiency, the banks continued to blindly lend to state-owned enterprises that proved either unable or unwilling to repay their loans.

Even though they are now encouraged to behave like banks around the world in assessing loan risks, the big four are suffering from the crippling legacy of their past profligate handouts of money.

But their financial wellbeing is vital, given that they issue 70% of all loans and hold 80% of all deposits in China.

People's Bank of China Governor Dai Xianglong announced at the beginning of this month that the government planned to thin out the NPLs with an annual 2 to 3% decrease in the 10th Five-Year-Plan Period (2001-2005) so as to ward off possible financial risks.

Currently, the NPLs owned by the Big Four -- ICBC, the Bank of China, China Construction Bank and the Agricultural Bank of China -- stand at 1.8 trillion yuan (US$217.6 billion), or 26.6% of their total loans in local and foreign currencies, he said.

Many foreign observers, however, believe the actual size of NPLs is understated because the way the Chinese categorize bad loans is relatively lenient compared to international accounting standards.

The international accounting firm Ernst & Young, for one, insists that close to half of all loans made by Chinese banks may never be repaid.
Close to 50%...how many of you appreciate just how enormous and scary that figure is?
 
Originally posted by: yllus
Where did you read that China owns a lot of U.S. debt? There's zero reason to worry about China's economical might in even the long term.


I thought the debt was owned in the massive trade deficit that the US has with China
 
They might not need to.

Those who rely on this idea to dismiss possible war with China(China being the agressor) are really deluding themselves and just setting themselves up for a fall. It assumes that China views Wealth/Economy exactly how the US views them. A rather huge leap if you look at recent Chinese history and its' willingness to Dictate to its' citizens with Tanks. A system like China's could simply allow the Economy to collapse, if it suits their purpose.

If the US wants security, it needs to structure its' economy in such a way that 1 foreign power doesn't have the ability to cause it to collapse, because you never know when they might choose to do just that.
 
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: yllus
Where did you read that China owns a lot of U.S. debt? There's zero reason to worry about China's economical might in even the long term.


I thought the debt was owned in the massive trade deficit that the US has with China

No, China and other countries bought loads and loads of US debts, mostly in T-bonds. That's how the US financed its BUDGET deficit year after year. Let see if I can find a few articles from Wall Street Journal and Fortune.
 
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: yllus
Where did you read that China owns a lot of U.S. debt? There's zero reason to worry about China's economical might in even the long term.


I thought the debt was owned in the massive trade deficit that the US has with China

China owns around a trillion US dollars worth of US government bonds, why would they go to war with someone who owes them a trillion dollars?
 
Originally posted by: yllus
Where did you read that China owns a lot of U.S. debt? There's zero reason to worry about China's economical might in even the long term.

FEATURE: Saddled with bad debt, banks seek mean, lean approach
Under the old system, state banks lent to businesses under government orders without concerning themselves with prospects for being repaid.

Even when the economic reforms were introduced to encourage financial and industrial efficiency, the banks continued to blindly lend to state-owned enterprises that proved either unable or unwilling to repay their loans.

Even though they are now encouraged to behave like banks around the world in assessing loan risks, the big four are suffering from the crippling legacy of their past profligate handouts of money.

But their financial wellbeing is vital, given that they issue 70% of all loans and hold 80% of all deposits in China.

People's Bank of China Governor Dai Xianglong announced at the beginning of this month that the government planned to thin out the NPLs with an annual 2 to 3% decrease in the 10th Five-Year-Plan Period (2001-2005) so as to ward off possible financial risks.

Currently, the NPLs owned by the Big Four -- ICBC, the Bank of China, China Construction Bank and the Agricultural Bank of China -- stand at 1.8 trillion yuan (US$217.6 billion), or 26.6% of their total loans in local and foreign currencies, he said.

Many foreign observers, however, believe the actual size of NPLs is understated because the way the Chinese categorize bad loans is relatively lenient compared to international accounting standards.

The international accounting firm Ernst & Young, for one, insists that close to half of all loans made by Chinese banks may never be repaid.
Close to 50%...how many of you appreciate just how enormous and scary that figure is?

..sounds like the savings and loan disaster of the US many years ago. Does China have a Resolution Trust Fund? to cover all the BAD LOANS??

 
Originally posted by: everman
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: yllus
Where did you read that China owns a lot of U.S. debt? There's zero reason to worry about China's economical might in even the long term.


I thought the debt was owned in the massive trade deficit that the US has with China

China owns around a trillion US dollars worth of US government bonds, why would they go to war with someone who owes them a trillion dollars?


I thought that was what I was saying
 
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: everman
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: yllus
Where did you read that China owns a lot of U.S. debt? There's zero reason to worry about China's economical might in even the long term.


I thought the debt was owned in the massive trade deficit that the US has with China

China owns around a trillion US dollars worth of US government bonds, why would they go to war with someone who owes them a trillion dollars?


I thought that was what I was saying

A trade deficit is created when for example: The U.S. exports $1Billion of goods to China, and imports $2Billion from China into the U.S. That would equal a $1Billion trade deficit.

China owning U.S. gov debt obligations is an investment in the U.S.
 
Originally posted by: everman
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: everman
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: yllus
Where did you read that China owns a lot of U.S. debt? There's zero reason to worry about China's economical might in even the long term.


I thought the debt was owned in the massive trade deficit that the US has with China

China owns around a trillion US dollars worth of US government bonds, why would they go to war with someone who owes them a trillion dollars?


I thought that was what I was saying

A trade deficit is created when for example: The U.S. exports $1Billion of goods to China, and imports $2Billion from China into the U.S. That would equal a $1Billion trade deficit.

China owning U.S. gov debt obligations is an investment in the U.S.

So China has $1 billion USD left...hmmm...what do I do with that? Oh, guess what, US Dollars are only accepted in the US of A. I either have to 1) buy American crap or 2) invest in American assets.
 
Originally posted by: sandorski
They might not need to.

Those who rely on this idea to dismiss possible war with China(China being the agressor) are really deluding themselves and just setting themselves up for a fall. It assumes that China views Wealth/Economy exactly how the US views them. A rather huge leap if you look at recent Chinese history and its' willingness to Dictate to its' citizens with Tanks. A system like China's could simply allow the Economy to collapse, if it suits their purpose.

If the US wants security, it needs to structure its' economy in such a way that 1 foreign power doesn't have the ability to cause it to collapse, because you never know when they might choose to do just that.

China is in no position to cause the US economy to collapse. I don't know where you people get this crap but the US government issued debt is not callable. China buying US government debt is an investment in the future and it says a lot more about the fragility of the Chinese economy than that of the US.
 
Originally posted by: everman
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: everman
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: yllus
Where did you read that China owns a lot of U.S. debt? There's zero reason to worry about China's economical might in even the long term.


I thought the debt was owned in the massive trade deficit that the US has with China

China owns around a trillion US dollars worth of US government bonds, why would they go to war with someone who owes them a trillion dollars?


I thought that was what I was saying

A trade deficit is created when for example: The U.S. exports $1Billion of goods to China, and imports $2Billion from China into the U.S. That would equal a $1Billion trade deficit.

China owning U.S. gov debt obligations is an investment in the U.S.

yes, I was wrong on that front, but I was still saying that China wouldn't go to war with the uS because it was financially invested in the US
 
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