Originally posted by: Rogodin2
why can't politicians come out and say this if this is how they feel?
Because a majority of America's poplulation can't survive without cheap fuel, food, and energy.
When SampSon can't buy food at the local supermarket he'll understand what "self-sufficency" means-and he'll do whatever it takes to acquire food for his family. He's a parasite.
Rogo
I grew up on a farm, my generations before me were farmers. I don't need to hear it from some newage hippie sustenance farmer that I don't have the skills to utilize my land to support myself. The land my family owns has been supporting our entire family tree and beyond for longer than you've been alive and probably longer than your opportunist family has been on this continent. I and at least 10 generations before me have been supporting themselves on nothing more than their land. Do you honestly think you hold some magic secrets that my family tree hasn't been using for hundreds of years? I think you're smug enough to think that you do.
So you have a cute little hobby farm, thinking about setting-up a gray water system and thinking about ajoining a farmers market, wow, really, wow. You're telling someone who's family has been involved in that community for centuries, without the modern conveniences of todays technology. Without generations of knowlege passed down, it appears you would know nothing. So you're 150 years behind my family tree, good for you. Do you really think you're that much better than everyone else? No, you're just better than everyone who doesn't believe in your utopian fantasy. Way to be a community-driven, humanist man.
I could go on about how you're so far behind the curve (but think you're ahead because you discovered the wonders of farming). But I'll spare you that realization, and me the pains of discussing/arguing it with you. Hopefully you will eventually realize how hopelessly dependent you are on modern technology and society in order to run your "farm". Mabey the impending crisis you so hope will come will teach you a few things. Usually they take a couple generations to really sink in and make you adapt, so your grand, or great-grandchildren should have it down to a daily science.
My Grandfather warned me about hypocritically smug people like you. I never believed him, or I didn't want to believe that what he was saying could possibly be true. Well I guess, or know, in the end that man and everyone before him was absolutely right, and that is sad. All I really need to say to you is "Get over yourself, because you're nothing but a mere shadow of generations past". You won't accept that easily, but it's the truth, like it or not. So go farm your fields without beasts of burden and sell your wares at cute little famers markets bolstered by thoes who don't follow your pseudo-purist ways and feel good about yourself. Because in the end the only person who thinks you're the real deal is you.
Glad your welathy and it's to bad that you wish ill will towards the people that bring you food and gas. no gas and you are dead to you dumb moron.
This is coming from someone who holds higher education and white collar jobs in high regard. While at the same time looking down on minorities, the poor and third world countries. You need to get over yourself as well.
The whole point was; in the end the only people on the planet that matter are me, my family and my closest friends. If you have and inkling of vision you will understand this is a cold hard fact in humanity. If you're some bleeding-heart tool, when you are truely confronted with a pivotal decision you will (or should if you have any balls at all) pick the three I mentioned in the statement above.
Rogodin wants (or is convinced) the entire world to collapse and fall back into a time similar to the feudal/dark ages. Even then we were more than just cavemen with rock hewn implements. I'm not sure if he is just arguing semantics, or if he is actually silly enough to be speaking with conviction. Either way I find it amazing, amazingly asinine.