Simpson guilty on all charges in robbery trial
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Drakkon
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There is a lot to this trial that will be brought back on appeal. Too many times did witnesses change their story or make odd claims. Too many times did theatrics with the "heart attack" and money play a role with all the book deals being signed. I'm not saying OJ didnt do what he did - i mean its pretty clear they have in on tape - but from the day it happened its been a circus (and i live in Vegas so seen it first hand) that will likely lead to him only spending at most 1-5 years in jail while they appeal his case.
The truth is if Simpson was to get a traffic ticket he would cry that it is "payback" for him being acquitted '95.
His defense of "it was not robbery, I was just trying to get my stuff back" is laughable.
If someone takes my wallet and I break into their house to get it back, and I get caught....sorry that is robbery.....I'm the one that got caught by the police, and I am somewhere I should not be.
If my friend brings a gun.....sure I can "claim" that I never saw it...and that very well maybe true, but non the less.....I still gotta prove it in court.
Simpson was given a golden opportunity by getting a walk in the first trial...guilty or not....he was not convicted....now he screwed up if someone takes your shit you don't break into their place to get it back.
His defense of "it was not robbery, I was just trying to get my stuff back" is laughable.
If someone takes my wallet and I break into their house to get it back, and I get caught....sorry that is robbery.....I'm the one that got caught by the police, and I am somewhere I should not be.
If my friend brings a gun.....sure I can "claim" that I never saw it...and that very well maybe true, but non the less.....I still gotta prove it in court.
Simpson was given a golden opportunity by getting a walk in the first trial...guilty or not....he was not convicted....now he screwed up if someone takes your shit you don't break into their place to get it back.
Think about how much crap that is, if someone steals from you basically you're not allowed to get it back and instead have to depend on an often times bloated, inneffectual system that doesn't care about your or your personal goods...
Not saying what Simpson did was right, also don't think that it was deserving of his potential punishment given the circumstances....
And to say that his past doesn't play a part in the decision is pretty laughable IMHO
Lemon law
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I agree, the if someone takes my wallet defense does not give somewhat that permit to later take it back by illegal force. The problem is, he should have called the cops and have them get it back for him.
Which in the OJ situation, probably would not have worked.
Had this had been an ordinary crime, we would not be discussing it and the punishment would probably be only a few years in the slammer, but the fact that OJ was involved made it anything but ordinary. I think it will be an injustice if OJ receives a longer than ordinary sentence.
Which in the OJ situation, probably would not have worked.
Had this had been an ordinary crime, we would not be discussing it and the punishment would probably be only a few years in the slammer, but the fact that OJ was involved made it anything but ordinary. I think it will be an injustice if OJ receives a longer than ordinary sentence.
StageLeft
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A decade+ late, but finally that fvck will be behind bars where he belongs. Granted, it's possible he was innocent then, but it's pretty unlikely in this case.
In any case, I loved the drudge heading "What happens in vegas, stays in vegas" cause that's where he is. I lawls.
In any case, I loved the drudge heading "What happens in vegas, stays in vegas" cause that's where he is. I lawls.
1. Rape is wrong, period.
Go give some money to this group now.
2. There are not any 'taut, pre-teen swedish boys' in American prisons where OJ is.
3. Rape is a crime of violence, not aesthetic. Raping OJ would be a power trip.
Funny how something as trivial as running with a football can grant wealth and celebrity to people who'd otherwise just be considered dangerously violent fuckups.
Buh-bye, bonehead.
Buh-bye, bonehead.
It's a good poit, but I'd like to make another related one:
The larger issue is the media 'celebrity machine' in the nation, and its ability to create figures who the public don't question enough - especially regarding political campaigns.
People who didn't know OJ as a celebrity before the first trial may not understand this, but the reaction to the story he murdered his wife was shock. The public knew OJ as this likeable, nice celebrity who ran for Avis with a big smile, and the comments were that people felt like they had known him for years, and it was hard to believe he could have done this. Among sports figures, OJ had an especially good image as 'nice' and easy going.
Clearly, that was a lie created by the media machine for him as a celbrity who made people money. But it was hard for people to recognize, they aren't used to having to.
Similarly, the public had a hard time - especially Republicans - accepting who Nixon was when his lies were exposed. He was able to milk his 'the president is not a crook' type lines exploiting the people's huge faith, at the time, in the president (an argument could be made the nation is healthier without the hero-worship of the president, but it's not as if Nixon did it to help the nation).
The disilusionment was strong enough to cause the lines like the perhaps hard to understand today reference by Ford to a 'long national nightmare'.
The same media machine can be used the other direction for assassination - making a politician seem 'unelectbale', 'weak', terrible in some way. Howard Dean shows that well.
This media machine leads to the creation of things like the Sarah Palin candidacy, where no few Americans see her as just a wonderful person to be president.
Some people do not properly determine her lack of qualifications and other problems; they are swept up by the machine, the people who say how she is a fresh breath etc.
This creates the ability for the people who set the agenda of who to make a celebrity to use the machine to put puppets of their choosing in the public spotlight and make them 'popular leaders', all the while their own agendas and interests not part of the public discussion, when they should be the central discussion.
Whether selling the public an OJ, a Nixon, or a Palin, there is a danger to how the media machine can so effectively convince so many and create phony image - and who controls the media machine and why. Of course, it's not nearly so black and white, it's tempered by the public's orientation - the media machine can make Palin a candidate credible to many, but it would have a hard time doing so with most if not all Muslims in today's culture. But the ability to turn anonymous figures into credible politicians is worrisome.
One last note on it - look at the contrast at how quite able real leaders look 'puny' without the media machine. The Kuciniches and, as misguided as I think he is, Pauls have a lot deserving to be heard, but they look like these little side-show acts without the media machine boost. If either had gotten their parties' nomination somehow, you would see a whole new image created painting them as great leaders. When great leaders are unable to gethigher office without the media help, it poses hard questions for our democracy.
I need not remind some here that 90% of the media is now consolidated under five huge corporations, as I recall.
In the first trial justice was not served. In the second trial, I'm not so sure justice was served either. Smells like a big setup to me in a lot of ways.
There is no discounting that Karma has been served, however.
StageLeft
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Part of the problem, Craig, is that the people do not aspire to understand what the media is telling them but that it aspires to tell them what they will pay attention, to, so it finds a general common denominator of intelligence and topic and throws its meat behind that, because with news as a product, you produce what the consumers are buying.
I'd support news as a public entity if somehow we knew it wouldn't end up in the back pocket of government. NPR, though, seems to work pretty well. Its not being behold to money masters is probably also why its reporting is among the highest calibres. In a way it's strange listening to NPR and then CNN, Fox, etc. because one realizes that it is indeed possible to "consume" news for hours on end from the same source and not be constantly inundated with bullsh*t.
I'd support news as a public entity if somehow we knew it wouldn't end up in the back pocket of government. NPR, though, seems to work pretty well. Its not being behold to money masters is probably also why its reporting is among the highest calibres. In a way it's strange listening to NPR and then CNN, Fox, etc. because one realizes that it is indeed possible to "consume" news for hours on end from the same source and not be constantly inundated with bullsh*t.
Fern
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I'm ambivalent about this.
IF, and it's a big "if", OJ was just getting his stuff back, I don't think this is fair. Would I like to see any other regular person attempting to retrieve their stolen property treated like this? NO.
I think it pretty much inexplicably stupid to not try and get the cops involved first, so I can see some punishment/trouble for this; but life in prison seems over-the-top to me.
I understand that most of us believe him guilty in Nicole's murder, but I'm not comfortable with rigging the judicial system to make up for past/seperate incidents where we didn't like the trial's outcome.
Still, I have no sympathy for him; he knew he needed to stay squeaky clean and playing bad @ss ganster thug was as dumb as it gets.
Fern
IF, and it's a big "if", OJ was just getting his stuff back, I don't think this is fair. Would I like to see any other regular person attempting to retrieve their stolen property treated like this? NO.
I think it pretty much inexplicably stupid to not try and get the cops involved first, so I can see some punishment/trouble for this; but life in prison seems over-the-top to me.
I understand that most of us believe him guilty in Nicole's murder, but I'm not comfortable with rigging the judicial system to make up for past/seperate incidents where we didn't like the trial's outcome.
Still, I have no sympathy for him; he knew he needed to stay squeaky clean and playing bad @ss ganster thug was as dumb as it gets.
Fern
Anything OJ "owns" is not his because it belongs to both the Brown and Goldman families. He still owes them money.
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