significant global warming is ocurring.
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We will, the second people look more than 2 inches in front of their faces. So...we may be in domes before then.
Well once we figure why it happened before maybe we will get a better picture of why it happens. Right now all we know is in the past we have had global warming, global warming is happening again(maybe), and now we are supposed to sign onto the latest envrionmental movements economic ideas.
Until we can solve the puzzle of past Global Warmings it is pretty foolish to jump head first into something.
Or we could use moderation right now while we try to figure out what is going on. Better safe than sorry.
Steeplerot
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Originally posted by: Stunt
I'd feel better knowing that by the time we ruin the earth, we will have the technology to hightail it off this rock
...although the other planets just aren't as pretty as this one
When that time comes this one won't be either.
Stunt
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touchéOriginally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Stunt
I'd feel better knowing that by the time we ruin the earth, we will have the technology to hightail it off this rock
...although the other planets just aren't as pretty as this one
When that time comes this one won't be either.
If we knew the reason for the global warming was indeed us. If it happened in the past something tells me we are not the direct cause of it.
Why curtail economic policies based on unsubstantiated theories?
So in 100 years we destroy our economy and continue to see temps rise then what?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
And if true: Do we know the cause? Do we know that we could actually reverse it if we tried?
CsG
I fail to see how using moderation would destroy our economy. I suppose by "destroy" you mean corporate income falling from exorbitant to just very high?
Any increase in costs will drive more business's away to China or Mexico where nobody cares how many chemicals are dumped into the river.
The United States has lowered emissions by about 30% from the 1970s and still managed to grow in magnitude in production.
Maybe you should start focussing your attention on countries that have little eco protection laws.
Twin Cities, Minnesota didn't get snow during Christmas (2004 X-Mas), how sad... but the winter was terribly ill even during March 2005. So what?
I still hope the penquins have a place to stay, otherwize our government will get too many responses from people, to give them a sheltered place of icey towers, thinking less of the homeless in Africa, Asia, Europe, South America, wherever (don't forget the US itself)
Manhattan must not end up like the scene in A.I. - Oh please no...
I still hope the penquins have a place to stay, otherwize our government will get too many responses from people, to give them a sheltered place of icey towers, thinking less of the homeless in Africa, Asia, Europe, South America, wherever (don't forget the US itself)
Manhattan must not end up like the scene in A.I. - Oh please no...
What am I gonna do about that? Well, I was thinking about becoming an all-powerful warlord who bends the entire world to my iron will, but that will take a little bit of time. "Something starts at home".
(I don't quite remember how that saying goes)
I have a email that went around and talked about liberals and conservatives, one of the things about liberals it said was:
You must believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by yuppies driving SUV's.
I think that applies here quite well. Throw out 10's of thousands of years of global warming and cooling, and take a 10 year period and make predictions based on that. So, I'll respond with.. if in 100 years the earth is cooling again, will liberals admit it was a farce? Or will they claim we are causing the cooling?
You must believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by yuppies driving SUV's.
I think that applies here quite well. Throw out 10's of thousands of years of global warming and cooling, and take a 10 year period and make predictions based on that. So, I'll respond with.. if in 100 years the earth is cooling again, will liberals admit it was a farce? Or will they claim we are causing the cooling?
Vic
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Of course, we don't actually know that, but it sounds good to say, doesn't it?
Crimson, they will claim that we are causing the cooling, with all mention of the previous claims of warming forgotten and removed.
Think on this people: the Mt. St. Helens eruption naturally released more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than humankind has released in the last decade. Krakatoa was 1,000 bigger than Mt. St. Helens. The mesas in the desert American Southwest were caused by massive natural coal fires that burned for hundreds of thousands of years. Global warming is not science, it is politics.
Stunt
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There is no way to reverse it that we know of now. But oil and gas producers are using new methods to pump crude out of the ground. Instead of using superheated steam, they have been using CO2 gas, and it works quite well because when oil reserves formed, they were trapped by impermiable sedimentary rocks. This is one way the industry (who takes a lot of heat for greenhouse gas emissions) is giving back to reduce the problem (theat even they recognize).
For example, if we know this will lead to the destruction of the earth as we know it (many complications caused by global warming) we should limit the problem rather than accelerate it.
For example, If i have a car with no steering, and is headed for a concrete wall; would you step on the gas, take your foot off the gas, or hit the breaks. (all different paths to the problem)
I think it is impossible to NOT use fossil fuels at the moment without huge economic ramifications, I am a fan of taking the foot off the gas, through the investment in alternate energy. (this will help with the ME issue too) It could be the difference between endless life on earth and a mere 1000 or whatever years.
CADsortaGUY
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You assume that there is a human controling things(car or "global warming"). You don't know if humans cause it or can even effect it(good or bad).
CsG
Duh... no need for domes! If it starts getting too hot, just buy another air conditioner from WalMart... they're only like 100 beans a piece now!
Exactly. Unfortunately, the environmental activists don't want moderation. No refineries built, since when? They put earthworm droppings in areas to prevent any change. Etc. Etc.
REASONABLE people should do what we can to help the environment WITHOUT going radical. It so happens that radicals are in charge of the democrat party and the democrat leaders only talk about the environment.
Example. Vice-President Al Gore has been cited for polluting the river on his property. "His" oil company Oxidental, Oil has been given horrible ratings by many environmental groups.. before he became VP.
on the other hand, Vice-President Dick Cheney's oil company, Haliburton, has almost always been given the highest ratings by those same environemtal groups.
Al Gore, perhaps to get even with the first President Bush, helped pave the way to allow another 50% of the REMAINING Big Thicket in East Texas be cleared of trees. This area used to have 5 of the zones represented. When I heard about this travesty I took my family there to see it before it was completely destroyed. After walking around a bit we took a car drive. It was horrible.
Big Thicket Biosphere Reserve and National Preserve
http://tx.usgs.gov/rgbdb/thicket/
96,669 acres
http://www.rmrs.nau.edu/usamab/General%20Description%20Big%20Thicket.htm
39,121 acres
Wow, 57,000 acres apparently destroyed. I wonder how bad it would have been had Al Gore not been so keen to protect the environment.
Of course, this is chump change compared to the other clearings around the country... after taking the land from the owners and giving it to the U.N.
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