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<sigh> Vizio...no, Hisense...no, Vizio 2016...no...

MaxDepth

MaxDepth

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Okay, I am living on borrowed time. I have an RCA rear projection HDTV (R52WH74) that I bought on clearance 9 years ago. It works great but I have been calibrating the focus more often. It could be the babies banging on the TV or running their toys into it. But it has been fantastic.

So I've been looking. I know 3D is dead and I didn't want it it anyway. So last years models were looking good until I saw the 2016 shows where they said if you don't have HDR, you ain't got nuthin'. Okay, so Samsung says it is building updates to most of their line to inlcude some form of HDR but not the best because not all sets have nano crystals.

SO I thought do I really want or need HDR? Because the Vizio M line is looking pretty good now and their prices are dropping. But then I hear from coworkers that people have had times with Vizios just dying on them and Vizio support pushes you to buy another at a greatly reduced cost but in turn they dump one of their refurbs on you.

But then I see Hisense's 55H9B2 and their 2015 65H10B2 (65H10C is coming late 2016) and they have everything the other big name brands have like HDR and those pesky quantum dots. For really cheap.

Arrrrgh. I am so mired in choices. I'd like to spend as least as possible but get as much future proofing as possible.

tl;dr
- Want at least 55" but no more than 60-65"
- Cheap as possible, no more than $1200
- As much of the current (2016) goodies as possible like HDR
- don't care about sound because I have an AV receiver (which I'm updating to have something HDCP 2.2 compliant)
- It's going to be wall mounted to keep my little ones from banging into it.
 
Well, Hisense put their TVs against a Samsung SUHD and an LG OLED. They call they LED configuration ULED. I know, not the same as OLED and perhaps they tweaked the other sets to not look as good as theirs but it still looked as good as the OLED.

And let's be honest. OLED sets beginning at 55" starts at the $2K price point. That's almost twice what I want to pay. So no thanks.

BarkingGhostar said:
HDR talk and no chat about OLED.
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If you've been using rear projection this long, then a 2016 Vizio 55" M-Series (Dolby Vision only, no HDR10) is fine for you. And a 2016 P-Series 55" is $1299 (with both HDR10 and Dolby Vision). But I share your wariness of Vizio quality.

The problem is if you want all the HDR fixins in a decent quality top tier brand, it's gonna cost a lot more.

Because of the concerns I have with Vizio, I may wait until later in the year until the sales show up, and until other brands release their HDR models. And if I do end up getting a Vizio (M Series 70" for US$2000), then I would probably get an extended warranty too, from a place like Costco.

BTW, I won't be buying a 4K UHD Blu-ray player until they include Dolby Vision support and cost less. There is only one player available in North America and it is US$400 and only has HDR10 support, no Dolby Vision. It should be noted that Star Wars: The Force Awakens will be released in Dolby Vision HDR.
 
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Good to know.

One thing that caught my eye with the Hisense models is that, currently, they are are offering 2 year warranties out of the box and another 2 years if you register your set. So that's three years longer than anything out there.

So while I'm patting myself on the back because I passed on all the 3D sets and it's now a dead end, I'm still gritting my teeth on what it will cost to have all those peripherals updated. (AV Tuner, DVD player and computer.)

The tuner right now is great but it is only HDMI 1.4a. And my DVD player is the BD-H6500. So while it will be nice to have HDR, I won't be able to see it unless I pipe it directly from the built-in Netflix application. (And then I have to yell at my service provider for dropping my bonded DSL throughput at night time.)

The more I look, the more I get interested in the 55" Hisense though. I guess I too am waiting because the 65 model will get replaced late in the year with their super duper model. So a Black Friday deal perhaps? Maybe I should just go outside. I hear it has nice frame rates and no judder.

<sigh>
 
Walmart has a 65" Sanyo for $499 today:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sanyo-FW65D25T-65-1080p-120Hz-Class-LED-HDTV/44465834

There's a few left in my area, thinking about picking one up. I love my 60" Mitsubishi DLP, but it's getting pretty dim & is flickering really bad, and has a couple diagonal 'cracks' in one corner from some accidents (not terrible, but you can see them on bright sections of shows). So that's a nice budget option. There's also the new 4K TCL Roku TV, which has a lot of good reviews for $999:

http://www.amazon.com/TCL-65US5800-65-Inch-Ultra-Smart/dp/B01BGC39JY/

Not super crazy about 4K, but the TV is far enough away that the aliasing wouldn't really be noticeable. Although I already have a nice Roku 3 already, so the built-in would be redundant for anything other than 4K content. There's also the 55" curved 1080p LG OLED for $1299 right now...smaller, but way better picture. Not crazy about the curve, but again, the PQ would trump all.

As far as HDR goes, I'd need to see more sets to judge whether or not its worth it. Every time I swing by a store like Best Buy tho, they have a 65" 4K OLED for $5,000 on display and that just ruins all of the other pictures for me 😀
 
With you budget I'd get the 55" 2016 M series. My father in law has a Vizio 720P plasma I bought around 10 years ago and it's still going. I bought a 2016 P series without a second thought.
 
boomhower said:
I bought a 2016 P series without a second thought.
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How's it been?

I'm re-evaluating my choices and am now considering a 65" P 2016. My wife wants 75" but I just don't think it's worth spending that kind of coin, which is why I was considering the 70" M. Actually she's saying she'd be happy with another projector, but I don't want to deal with projectors anymore.

It's bizarre. I'm living in a parallel universe. The wife is telling me either to get a projector or a 75" TV, but I'm looking at a 65" instead. 😀
 
Eug said:
How's it been?

I'm re-evaluating my choices and am now considering a 65" P 2016. My wife wants 75" but I just don't think it's worth spending that kind of coin, which is why I was considering the 70" M. Actually she's saying she'd be happy with another projector, but I don't want to deal with projectors anymore.

It's bizarre. I'm living in a parallel universe. The wife is telling me either to get a projector or a 75" TV, but I'm looking at a 65" instead. 😀
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I absolutely love it. It looks some getting used to with the Tablet remote. After a few days of getting everything sorted it has been a dream. The picture is fantastic, Dolby Vision in particular is stunning. Value for the money is wonderful. All that said, I would have bought the new 70" M if it was out when I was buying. For me size is more important but only to a degree. From what I've read it is good enough. I am not a videophile so as long as it as a solid picture I'll take the larger size. But with Vizio is general I have zero qualms.
 
Kaido said:
Walmart has a 65" Sanyo for $499 today:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sanyo-FW65D25T-65-1080p-120Hz-Class-LED-HDTV/44465834

There's a few left in my area, thinking about picking one up. I love my 60" Mitsubishi DLP, but it's getting pretty dim & is flickering really bad, and has a couple diagonal 'cracks' in one corner from some accidents (not terrible, but you can see them on bright sections of shows). So that's a nice budget option.
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Dude, be very careful about those cheap sets. My folks bought a 55" or so Sharp branded set for about the same price point last December. The PQ is terrible. Yes, they have HD (OTA + Tivo). My 65" DLP blows it out of the water. Granted, my DLP sounds be in better shape then yours but even so...
 
Unless Hisense has drastically changed or been bought out by another company, avoid them. They are the low low end of the spectrum. (I have one in the bedroom since we rarely watch there. Worst picture of any TV in the house).
 
Apparently HiSense rejigged themselves in Asia and now have a bigger quality range. Low end still sucks but high end competes well with the name brands in terms of image quality.

Not sure about reliability though. My guess is their reliability may not be so great, much like the Vizios, even though Vizio has some of the best looking sets out there these days apparently.

I'm not sure what to do. I'm almost tempted to forego the whole HDR TV thing for a few years and just pick up a 1080p Sony VPL-HW40ES projector to replace my existing projector. I've got other concerns right now, like just finding out the amp in my SVS PB-13 Ultra is dead. 🙁
 
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NutBucket said:
Dude, be very careful about those cheap sets. My folks bought a 55" or so Sharp branded set for about the same price point last December. The PQ is terrible. Yes, they have HD (OTA + Tivo). My 65" DLP blows it out of the water. Granted, my DLP sounds be in better shape then yours but even so...
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Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it, at that price range.

I'm looking at the 4K TCL Roku TV ($999) to replace my DLP. tbh, even the low-end 4K sets I've seen have a pretty great picture, whereas I've seen a lot of awful 1080p sets with really bad black levels, crappy color saturation, etc. At work, I install a lot of 4K signage with sets from Seiki & other misc. brands & they surprisingly look awesome. I don't know if it's the added pixels or what, but it works. I recently picked up a couple budget-oriented 4K Roku Insigna TV's (43" for my kitchen; my dad got a 55" for his computer/TV) & they are just great. Plus in the living room, I sit far enough away to mask the aliasing that goes on with 1080p & lower content on a 4K set. If I end up getting the TCL, I'll post a thread on it.
 
Kaido said:
Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it, at that price range.

I'm looking at the 4K TCL Roku TV ($999) to replace my DLP. tbh, even the low-end 4K sets I've seen have a pretty great picture, whereas I've seen a lot of awful 1080p sets with really bad black levels, crappy color saturation, etc. At work, I install a lot of 4K signage with sets from Seiki & other misc. brands & they surprisingly look awesome. I don't know if it's the added pixels or what, but it works. I recently picked up a couple budget-oriented 4K Roku Insigna TV's (43" for my kitchen; my dad got a 55" for his computer/TV) & they are just great. Plus in the living room, I sit far enough away to mask the aliasing that goes on with 1080p & lower content on a 4K set. If I end up getting the TCL, I'll post a thread on it.
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It seems it's entirely possible to make great 1080p sets, but as technology improves, they are mainly including the improvements in the 4K panels, leaving the 1080p panels to the mid and lower ends.

ie. People don't want to buy a high end 1080p set. If they're in the 1080p market, they're looking for cheaper. If they are going to spend money, then they want 4K.

Also, it seems to me that the incremental cost to produce 4K may not be as much as I might have guessed. I say this because even low mid end model lines are going 4K these days. 720p TVs used to be the value line. Now they are almost all 1080p, while 4K has become mid-end and high end.

Case in point: You can buy a 50" 4K TV from Vizio for under US$600, complete with Google Cast built in. No HDR support, but most people don't even know what that is yet. Give it a year or two, and I betcha that'll come too. BTW, it's technically positive to implement HDR into a 1080p set, but nobody is going to do that. The only way to get HDR is with 4K.

I had been also considering a new projector, but everything in my price range is 1080p. However, 4K models are already here, and it's now just about waiting for the price to drop. So whatever I get, it may just make sense to wait, whether it's for a new 4K TV or a 4K (or even fake 4K) projector. However, I will probably need to buy by 2017, so hopefully something that fits my needs and fits my budget shows up within the year.
 
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Eug said:
It seems it's entirely possible to make great 1080p sets, but as technology improves, they are mainly including the improvements in the 4K panels, leaving the 1080p panels to the mid and lower ends.

ie. People don't want to buy a high end 1080p set. If they're in the 1080p market, they're looking for cheaper. If they are going to spend money, then they want 4K.

Also, it seems to me that the incremental cost to produce 4K may not be as much as I might have guessed. I say this because even low mid end model lines are going 4K these days. 720p TVs used to be the value line. Now they are almost all 1080p, while 4K has become mid-end and high end.

Case in point: You can buy a 50" 4K TV from Vizio for under US$600, complete with Google Cast built in. No HDR support, but most people don't even know what that is yet. Give it a year or two, and I betcha that'll come too. BTW, it's technically positive to implement HDR into a 1080p set, but nobody is going to do that. The only way to get HDR is with 4K.

I had been also considering a new projector, but everything in my price range is 1080p. However, 4K models are already here, and it's now just about waiting for the price to drop. So whatever I get, it may just make sense to wait, whether it's for a new 4K TV or a 4K (or even fake 4K) projector. However, I will probably need to buy by 2017, so hopefully something that fits my needs and fits my budget shows up within the year.
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On the 4K projector tangent, I'm super excited about this news from CEDIA:

http://www.displaydaily.com/display-daily/31418-ti-to-bring-4k-dlp-to-the-masses

The 77" LG G6 OLED (2016 model) is $25,000. I'd imagine TI-based 4K projectors will be far cheaper (heck, the Sony 4K projector is already down to $8k on Amazon) & coupled with a Screen Innovations daytime black screen, I'd much rather have that setup for literally 50% of the cost of the OLED. I mean, I'd rather have the OLED, but for $25k I'm buying a sports car, not a TV 😀
 
I can't use the DLPs easily due to projector placement issues. Also, the only times I've tried DLP, it gave me the rainbow effect that drove me nuts. It's probably not an issue now, but I'm not sure.
 
Yeah, once I see it on any set, I can't shake it either.

On the 55" front, I see Sony dropped the price on one of their 2015s to under $1000.
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-XBR55X810C-55-Inch-Ultra-Smart/dp/B0148OZLOS

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Amazon jumped up their price of the UN55JU7500 by $200 to now at $1500. It's a moving target for all these 2015 models.

Eug said:
I can't use the DLPs easily due to projector placement issues. Also, the only times I've tried DLP, it gave me the rainbow effect that drove me nuts. It's probably not an issue now, but I'm not sure.
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Great. Just going in to Amazon to purchase the Hisense and...they pulled it due to complaint or something or other. Of course, I'll take that as a sign that I should not have purchased it too.

I should get in touch with my scrooge self and appreciate that I'm not spending $1200+ for TV (new TV, receiver, wall mount, etc.)


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