*SIGH* I'm so discouraged.... This is so ghey...

[LOLyourFace]

Man.. $15K is really a tight budget. After talking with 9 Hyundai dealers, this is what I learned:

No matter what kind of deals you get, it all end up getting back up to the MSRP. WTF.

Because: No rebate in order to take advantage of 0% APR for 36 months. Add $1000
Yay! Massachusetts tax! Add $800-1000

A good invoice deal + those two = back to MSRP...

*Sigh* I'm discouraged now. The true out-the-door prices are $18K~ If I were to downgrade to a 4 cylinder, I don't even know if I want it anymore. Many people say Tiburon is really small, especially the back....

-Andy

 

[Platypus]

Are you still on about this? The dealer in your previous thread was being more than reasonable with you.

 

[LOLyourFace]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Are you still on about this? The dealer in your previous thread was being more than reasonable with you.

no, this is Tiburon. I longer can afford Mazda6 or Altima class.. the buget was cut to $15K because of summer classes I'll be taking. :frown:

 

[Yossarian]

If you're a subscriber you can create an entire forum devoted to your car shopping woes

 

[LOLyourFace]

Originally posted by: PipBoy
If you're a subscriber you can create an entire forum devoted to your car shopping woes

I wish I could. I'm very grateful for the ATOT community. They've already provided invaluable advice for making such an important decision, especially Vic. I might send him a lil gift or something after the purchase is over in next 2 weeks.

 

[fonzinator]

If I were the dealer, I would not take your other offer seriously unless you provided me with at least a name. If you don't provide a name, you might as well just make up whatever "other deal" you want. Right?? I seriously doubt they would collude against you. Aren't there big penalties for doing that??

 

[LOLyourFace]

Originally posted by: fonzinator
If I were the dealer, I would not take your other offer seriously unless you provided me with at least a name. If you don't provide a name, you might as well just make up whatever "other deal" you want. Right?? I seriously doubt they would collude against you. Aren't there big penalties for doing that??

exactly my point. could someone further elaborate on this?

could someone answer my Second question as well?

 

[Shade4ever]

It would be collusion, but only if they're caught. Otherwise it's perfectly ok...Coke and Pepsi have been doing it for some time now.

 

[BigSmooth]

I really don't think it's a problem to give the name. The dealership knows who their competition is.

There is no conspiracy, if they can beat the price they will, if they can't they'll say so. That's what happened when I bought a car, at least.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: bigsmooth
I really don't think it's a problem to give the name. The dealership knows who their competition is.

There is no conspiracy, if they can beat the price they will, if they can't they'll say so. That's what happened when I bought a car, at least.

mine too. i went to one dealer... got a written quote on their letterhead... went to my regular dealer, got their quote... handed them the other quote (which was alot lower) and said can you beat this? If not, i am going there.

they beat it by a few hundred.

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: fonzinator
If I were the dealer, I would not take your other offer seriously unless you provided me with at least a name. If you don't provide a name, you might as well just make up whatever "other deal" you want. Right?? I seriously doubt they would collude against you. Aren't there big penalties for doing that??

When I had Acura "match" another dealer, I told them I could get the price lower from another dealer. They asked who and I provided in writing the price we had settled on. She took it to the manager and it was approved. Pretty simple.

I think mentioning another dealer specifically will defintely help your case.

What is MSRP on that Tiburon you offered 16k for?

 

[fonzinator]

Originally posted by: Shade4ever
It would be collusion, but only if they're caught. Otherwise it's perfectly ok...Coke and Pepsi have been doing it for some time now.

If Coke and Pepsi got together one day and said, "Lets agree to both raise the cost of a can of pop by $.05 so we can both gain more profit," that would be collusion. This would also be completely illegal. Coke and Pepsi do not do this. If they both raise their prices by any similar amount that seems shady, I guarantee you there are inspectors in there the next day. Coke and Pepsi had better be able to proove that the cost of material suddenly increased, or something like this, to avoid serious consequences.

As for two car dealerships, they are also bound by the same rules. The competition has to be fair. If dealer A and B get together and say, "Hey...LOLyourFace wants to buy a Tiburon. He's offered me $X, he's offered you $X. Let's both raise our offers on him then split the difference." This collusion could easily be proved by keeping track of all documents, offers, quotes, ect.

 

[LOLyourFace]

Originally posted by: Spac3d

Originally posted by: fonzinator
If I were the dealer, I would not take your other offer seriously unless you provided me with at least a name. If you don't provide a name, you might as well just make up whatever "other deal" you want. Right?? I seriously doubt they would collude against you. Aren't there big penalties for doing that??

When I had Acura "match" another dealer, I told them I could get the price lower from another dealer. They asked who and I provided in writing the price we had settled on. She took it to the manager and it was approved. Pretty simple.

I think mentioning another dealer specifically will defintely help your case.

What is MSRP on that Tiburon you offered 16k for?

from edmunds.com

Hyundai Tiburon '03 V6 5-speed manual

MSRP $19,124
Invoice $17,500
What I was offered $16,000

(all above include the destination charge)

It's a great deal. They're willing to go this low because it's Hyundai and they need to get rid of their inventory. I plan to lower it even more. There are currently 9 Hyundai dealers in my area (MA & one close to NH)

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace

Originally posted by: Spac3d

Originally posted by: fonzinator
If I were the dealer, I would not take your other offer seriously unless you provided me with at least a name. If you don't provide a name, you might as well just make up whatever "other deal" you want. Right?? I seriously doubt they would collude against you. Aren't there big penalties for doing that??

When I had Acura "match" another dealer, I told them I could get the price lower from another dealer. They asked who and I provided in writing the price we had settled on. She took it to the manager and it was approved. Pretty simple.

I think mentioning another dealer specifically will defintely help your case.

What is MSRP on that Tiburon you offered 16k for?

from edmunds.com

MSRP $19,124
Invoice $17,500
What I was offered $16,000

(all above include the destination charge)

It's a great deal. They're willing to go this low because it's Hyundai and they need to get rid of their inventory. I plan to lower it even more. There are currently 9 Hyundai dealers in my area (MA & one close to NH)

This is for a 2003 V6 auto, I take it? Even for a Hyundai, $1500 under invoice is a stellar deal. You've got a lot more bargaining power on this car than the Mazda, but driving it down much further is going to be tough.

Just try not to lowball them with a $15K offer or something.

 

[LOLyourFace]

Originally posted by: bigsmooth

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace

Originally posted by: Spac3d

Originally posted by: fonzinator
If I were the dealer, I would not take your other offer seriously unless you provided me with at least a name. If you don't provide a name, you might as well just make up whatever "other deal" you want. Right?? I seriously doubt they would collude against you. Aren't there big penalties for doing that??

When I had Acura "match" another dealer, I told them I could get the price lower from another dealer. They asked who and I provided in writing the price we had settled on. She took it to the manager and it was approved. Pretty simple.

I think mentioning another dealer specifically will defintely help your case.

What is MSRP on that Tiburon you offered 16k for?

from edmunds.com

MSRP $19,124
Invoice $17,500
What I was offered $16,000

(all above include the destination charge)

It's a great deal. They're willing to go this low because it's Hyundai and they need to get rid of their inventory. I plan to lower it even more. There are currently 9 Hyundai dealers in my area (MA & one close to NH)

This is for a 2003 V6 auto, I take it? Even for a Hyundai, $1500 under invoice is a stellar deal. You've got a lot more bargaining power on this car than the Mazda, but driving it down much further is going to be tough.

Just try not to lowball them with a $15K offer or something.

Nope, 5 speed manual. That's why I want another $500 off.

 

[BigSmooth]

Gotcha. If someone offers $15500, I would snap that up. 2 grand below invoice is really a good deal. Edmund's TMV in my area is about $300 over invoice.

BTW, yeah, it's a Hyundai, but I'm sure it's in more demand than any of their other cars with the possible exception of the Elantra. The Tiburon actually looks pretty good (they copied Ferrari, after all) and most people seem to like it for the price.

 

[LOLyourFace]

Originally posted by: bigsmooth
Gotcha. If someone offers $15500, I would snap that up. 2 grand below invoice is really a good deal. Edmund's TMV in my area is about $300 over invoice.

BTW, yeah, it's a Hyundai, but I'm sure it's in more demand than any of their other cars with the possible exception of the Elantra. The Tiburon actually looks pretty good (they copied Ferrari, after all) and most people seem to like it for the price.

sounds like a good deal... keep you all updated

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
I wish I could. I'm very grateful for the ATOT community. They've already provided invaluable advice for making such an important decision, especially Vic. I might send him a lil gift or something after the purchase is over in next 2 weeks.

Thanks

I don't know the answer to "Question Two" here. Taxes and fees on cars vary by state, and I have no idea what they are in MA.

edit: btw, if we're finally in a price range that you're comfortable at, and you like the car (the most important part), I would say grab this. It's an amazing deal.

 

[crypticlogin]

Car price + Destination charge + Mass tax + what else?

I know there'll probably be a title and vehicle registration (may be rolled up together in some kind of "documentation" fee) and that's likely non-negotiable. I guess you *could* try to do this yourself, but the dealer can usually get a faster turnaround than you can by yourself.

 

[BigSmooth]

As far as fees, the ones I would watch out for would be an "advertising fee", "delivery & handling", "administrative costs", "market adjustment" or anything ambiguous like that. Also make sure to avoid any "add-ons" like the usual undercoating etc. More info here.

Tax, title, registration, etc. are pretty standard and it would be illegal for a dealer to mark them up.

 

[LOLyourFace]

Originally posted by: bigsmooth
As far as fees, the ones I would watch out for would be an "advertising fee", "delivery & handling", "administrative costs", "market adjustment" or anything ambiguous like that. Also make sure to avoid any "add-ons" like the usual undercoating etc. More info here.

Tax, title, registration, etc. are pretty standard and it would be illegal for a dealer to mark them up.

you sexy man you. off to make the last calls.

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace
Thanks for answering the first Q, here's the second without creating a new thread/

Question TWO:
I asked for $16,000 flat with destination charge, the dealer says he could do that as long as tax is NOT included. (I live in MA) During a new car buying process, what are the total fees I am subject to before driving the car? It seems there are many misc. hidden fees that really add up... I want to know this thoroughly to detect dealer scams and get a clean buy.

Car price + Destination charge + Mass tax + what else?

You can make the dealer absorb it all. You just have to be ready to walk if it doesn't go through.

 

[LOLyourFace]

Originally posted by: bigsmooth
As far as fees, the ones I would watch out for would be an "advertising fee", "delivery & handling", "administrative costs", "market adjustment" or anything ambiguous like that. Also make sure to avoid any "add-ons" like the usual undercoating etc. More info here.

Tax, title, registration, etc. are pretty standard and it would be illegal for a dealer to mark them up.

you sure? In terms of those LEGAL fees, how much should I expect? Under $100/150/200? I have NO idea. I need to know this just in case those prices get fishy...

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace

Originally posted by: bigsmooth
As far as fees, the ones I would watch out for would be an "advertising fee", "delivery & handling", "administrative costs", "market adjustment" or anything ambiguous like that. Also make sure to avoid any "add-ons" like the usual undercoating etc. More info here.

Tax, title, registration, etc. are pretty standard and it would be illegal for a dealer to mark them up.

you sure? In terms of those LEGAL fees, how much should I expect? Under $100/150/200? I have NO idea. I need to know this just in case those prices get fishy...

No clue, it varies tremendously by state. For instance, here in Oregon we have no sales tax and very low registration/titling fees, whereas in California you would be paying a boatload of additional fees. You'll have to check with a dealer (they should be straight with you) or just call friends/relatives in your state to see what they had to pay.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace

Originally posted by: bigsmooth
As far as fees, the ones I would watch out for would be an "advertising fee", "delivery & handling", "administrative costs", "market adjustment" or anything ambiguous like that. Also make sure to avoid any "add-ons" like the usual undercoating etc. More info here.

Tax, title, registration, etc. are pretty standard and it would be illegal for a dealer to mark them up.

you sure? In terms of those LEGAL fees, how much should I expect? Under $100/150/200? I have NO idea. I need to know this just in case those prices get fishy...

well tax is whatever your sales tax rate is... as for the other stuff, you can ask the dealer what it is... they usually don't lie about it