Siamese Twins to be separated
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I feel spite for the parents. Due to their stupidity they are willing to sentence to death - because both will die - thees twins saying that "God will take care of them". Its almost like child abuse, and I hope the state steps in and does whats right. The quality of life of the saved child, should they be seperated, won't be good, but its better than both definitely dying.
BiB
BiB
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How could the child(ren) possibly live together? It seems like a lose - lose situation to me:Q What possible life could the being have conjoined or apart?
This just seems like an awful stoke of evil IMHO. How could something like this happen in the first place. It is wicked cruel and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
This just seems like an awful stoke of evil IMHO. How could something like this happen in the first place. It is wicked cruel and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
I feel spite for the parents. Due to their stupidity they are willing to sentence to death - because both will die - thees twins saying that "God will take care of them". Its almost like child abuse, and I hope the state steps in and does whats right. The quality of life of the saved child, should they be seperated, won't be good, but its better than both definitely dying.
It's alot easier when you're on the outside looking in, isn't it? I agree 100% with your logic, but I think you're being a little harsh. The parents have their own feelings/emotions to deal with in this situation. The rest of us can look at it objectively. The parents don't have that luxury. I feel sorry for them. It's an immensely difficult decision that no one shoud have to make. But, they are in the position of having to do just that. I find litte justification in criticizing them.
It's alot easier when you're on the outside looking in, isn't it? I agree 100% with your logic, but I think you're being a little harsh. The parents have their own feelings/emotions to deal with in this situation. The rest of us can look at it objectively. The parents don't have that luxury. I feel sorry for them. It's an immensely difficult decision that no one shoud have to make. But, they are in the position of having to do just that. I find litte justification in criticizing them.
FettsBabe
I just spent the morning crying my eyes out over a local 2 year old boy who died from a snakebite.
Now I can sob some more.
I just spent the morning crying my eyes out over a local 2 year old boy who died from a snakebite.
Now I can sob some more.
Perhaps pcaddict, but I find that ignorance of parents has been cause for many many deaths in the past, often times for crap like this. Where was God when he made two babies share a heart?
Anyway, it is because of the state's objectivity that it should be allowed to decide on this matter above and beyond the parents. THe kids are not the property of the parents; they are merely the care-givers. I think its tough to pretend they are making the right decision - and being parents does not give somebody the right of essentially sentencing their child/ren to death.
BiB
Anyway, it is because of the state's objectivity that it should be allowed to decide on this matter above and beyond the parents. THe kids are not the property of the parents; they are merely the care-givers. I think its tough to pretend they are making the right decision - and being parents does not give somebody the right of essentially sentencing their child/ren to death.
BiB
bobber
Do you really feel it necessary to resort to name calling instead of trying to intelligently explain something?
I could try and explain to you where I'm coming from and why I feel this way, and perhaps you'd have some insight then.
But why bother?
Do you really feel it necessary to resort to name calling instead of trying to intelligently explain something?
I could try and explain to you where I'm coming from and why I feel this way, and perhaps you'd have some insight then.
But why bother?
what you really deserve is that someday you find yourself in a similar situation.
Well that speaks highly of your maturity. As punishment to me a couple of conjoined twins should be born to the world. Do you know how stupid that makes you sound?
I'm terribly sorry, Bobber, for feeling scorn towards a couple of people who would rather have both of their children definitely die than save one of them. Thats what this is about. Yes, its _very_ tragic that they had to have these kids, and I wish I didn't feel any resentment towards them as I would not wish this upon anybody (unlike you). But when their religious beliefs would mean the gauranteed death of two children instead of the possibly living of one of them that is just how I feel.
A quote from the parents "We believe that nature should take its course. If it's God's will that both our children should not survive then so be it."
BiB
PS - Being around on these boards for a while I would have expected that you know how people react to a direct insult. It very quickly makes a reasonable discussion difficult. How about next time instead of voicing your opinion so mindlessly you try and explain how I am wrong instead of taking the less learned approach that you seem so eager to embrace.
Well that speaks highly of your maturity. As punishment to me a couple of conjoined twins should be born to the world. Do you know how stupid that makes you sound?
I'm terribly sorry, Bobber, for feeling scorn towards a couple of people who would rather have both of their children definitely die than save one of them. Thats what this is about. Yes, its _very_ tragic that they had to have these kids, and I wish I didn't feel any resentment towards them as I would not wish this upon anybody (unlike you). But when their religious beliefs would mean the gauranteed death of two children instead of the possibly living of one of them that is just how I feel.
A quote from the parents "We believe that nature should take its course. If it's God's will that both our children should not survive then so be it."
BiB
PS - Being around on these boards for a while I would have expected that you know how people react to a direct insult. It very quickly makes a reasonable discussion difficult. How about next time instead of voicing your opinion so mindlessly you try and explain how I am wrong instead of taking the less learned approach that you seem so eager to embrace.
I don't see how you can expect any parent to sentence one of their children to die. There are medical miracles everyday and I'd be pretty sure these parents are praying that their daughters both survive, stranger things have happened.
Well thats true, stranger things have happened...but the hoping that both will live is really exceptionally unlikely. The state would not have unanimously ruled for seperation if they didn't believe this.
Some parents DO sentence their kids to die...in a way. We've got a guy in Canada who killed his child because his kid was in exceptional pain and he believed he was doing the right thing. Nothing malicious about that - not that it was necessarily the right thing to do, but I find it hard not to at least appreciate his position to an extent in the matter.
Some parents DO sentence their kids to die...in a way. We've got a guy in Canada who killed his child because his kid was in exceptional pain and he believed he was doing the right thing. Nothing malicious about that - not that it was necessarily the right thing to do, but I find it hard not to at least appreciate his position to an extent in the matter.
BoberFett
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Where does maturity fit into this picture? Where in your first post did you display any maturity? Calling the parents stupid and telling them that they should simply choose to kill one of their children?
And you then rant on about how their beliefs are wrong. Telling others that their beliefs are wrong is a hallmark of immaturity. Do you somehow feel that in their situation you'd be better equipped by your belief system to handle such a tragedy?
My initial statement stands.
And you then rant on about how their beliefs are wrong. Telling others that their beliefs are wrong is a hallmark of immaturity. Do you somehow feel that in their situation you'd be better equipped by your belief system to handle such a tragedy?
My initial statement stands.
Where does maturity fit into this picture? I never claimed it did. How could it with such statements as "what you really deserve is that someday you find yourself in a similar situation." coming from you?
Calling the parents stupid and telling them that they should simply choose to kill one of their children? Being a parent brings with it many hard decisions. Choosing to kill one of your kids isn't fun or easy, but when both are going to die if you don't choose to have one die its a no-brainer.
others that their beliefs are wrong is a hallmark of immaturity. Well that means absolutely nothing. From here on in I believe that anybody speeding should be put to death. Thats my belief, Bobber. Is it wrong? I hope you don't think so, because if you say it is its immature. The courts already decided that these people's belief was wrong - I don't really think one would call a court of judges "immature" - well apparently you did so I stand corrected.
BiB
Calling the parents stupid and telling them that they should simply choose to kill one of their children? Being a parent brings with it many hard decisions. Choosing to kill one of your kids isn't fun or easy, but when both are going to die if you don't choose to have one die its a no-brainer.
others that their beliefs are wrong is a hallmark of immaturity. Well that means absolutely nothing. From here on in I believe that anybody speeding should be put to death. Thats my belief, Bobber. Is it wrong? I hope you don't think so, because if you say it is its immature. The courts already decided that these people's belief was wrong - I don't really think one would call a court of judges "immature" - well apparently you did so I stand corrected.
BiB
Bah, seems pretty clear to me you were just jumping on somebody to put down, found me, and now are not even willing to be reasonable. So I think I'll be equally unreasonable when I say F**K you. I say something, you disagree. Thats fine. You say something, I disagree, and you ignore my retort. How does it feel to be wrong BiBerfett?
NO-BRAINER Two choices:
1) Leave both of your children to die.
2) Save one of them.
How is that not a no-brainer? Perhaps I should have called it a no-bobber
BiB
NO-BRAINER Two choices:
1) Leave both of your children to die.
2) Save one of them.
How is that not a no-brainer? Perhaps I should have called it a no-bobber
BiB
Bib - I think Bober is trying to say that it wouldn't be an easy decision eventhough the answer appears to be clear-cut. The emotional effect of this decision would be heartwrenching.
Fettsbabe
If he is saying that I agree wholeheartedly. But when he says he hopes I'm never a parent, I say I hope he never has any problems whatsoever with his children because he apparently isn't willing to deal with them.
BiB
If he is saying that I agree wholeheartedly. But when he says he hopes I'm never a parent, I say I hope he never has any problems whatsoever with his children because he apparently isn't willing to deal with them.
BiB
I am completely dumbfounded by your inability to grasp this situation.
And I yours. I think its safe to say you actually didn't read a single bit of news about this did you? One of the twins is leeching off the other for blood. One of them is the stronger, one is the weaker. Once a decision has been made to seperate its very easy to decide which one - its not a toss-up because one of them is weaker. Next time perhaps you'll try and read something before jumping into a thread.
And BTW Fettsbabe wasn't defending your childish barbs. I'm not in the mood for beating around the bush today. I'm just telling it like it is Damn you're sounding like Lozer now! But, really, if by not beating around the bush it means acting like an asshole, well you're right. Its nothing new though; you often jump into threads and chuck around insults with reckless abandon. I'm half your age and maintain better composure. Shame on you bibberfett.
BiB
And I yours. I think its safe to say you actually didn't read a single bit of news about this did you? One of the twins is leeching off the other for blood. One of them is the stronger, one is the weaker. Once a decision has been made to seperate its very easy to decide which one - its not a toss-up because one of them is weaker. Next time perhaps you'll try and read something before jumping into a thread.
And BTW Fettsbabe wasn't defending your childish barbs. I'm not in the mood for beating around the bush today. I'm just telling it like it is Damn you're sounding like Lozer now! But, really, if by not beating around the bush it means acting like an asshole, well you're right. Its nothing new though; you often jump into threads and chuck around insults with reckless abandon. I'm half your age and maintain better composure. Shame on you bibberfett.
BiB
BoberFett
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Well at least we're in agreement, we both think the other is an asshole. And as for sounding like Lozer, which of us has the childish sig making fun of someone else.
Let me ask you this. I'd call you a heartless bastard to your face. Would you have the guts to say what you did directly to these parents? Somehow I doubt it.
Let me ask you this. I'd call you a heartless bastard to your face. Would you have the guts to say what you did directly to these parents? Somehow I doubt it.
I agree with BiB.
There are two choices.
1) Separate them
2) Leave them together
If they are separated, one will live, the other will die.
If they are not separated, both will die.
Even if by some miracle both survived, they would live a life worse than death. If anyone has ever wanted to have sex with two girls at the same time this is as close as you could get.
There are two choices.
1) Separate them
2) Leave them together
If they are separated, one will live, the other will die.
If they are not separated, both will die.
Even if by some miracle both survived, they would live a life worse than death. If anyone has ever wanted to have sex with two girls at the same time this is as close as you could get.
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