Shuffling, new mouse - Gamdias Zeus?

[vbuggy]

I'm tossing a few of my peripherals which I deem worn.

I was looking around for new mice when I noticed the Gamdias Zeus.

It appears to tick a few of the features I like in a mouse:
- Proper fully supported base (unlike e.g. the totally form-over-function RATs)
- Claw-friendly design with sharply curved-down mouse buttons leading to the front edge (unlike e.g. most Razers and the G9x)
- Lotsa buttons in a place that I would consider logical

However I looked around at reviews and among other things, durability concerns are cited. Anyone have one? Anyone used one?

 

[DigDog]

is it for FPS games?

if it is, then flat out NO.

if its for anything else, sure, why not. if anything, do it for science!


ermm.. on second thought, maybe not even for science.
these other guys who did it for science don't seem to be too happy:
http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826374001

 

[vbuggy]

Why not for FPS? What's your opinion regarding the cable?

I forgot to put the eSport version - which is what I'd be going for. That seems to get good reviews.

 

[DigDog]

in esports (es reality, mlg, whatnot.) we tend to follow this:

 

[BrightCandle]

I agree fully with DigDog. I have never heard of this mouse, which means its probably totally rubbish for gaming. Heck I would argue that people shouldn't buy mice with tracking issues even for the desktop, but everyone else seems to find these terrible mice acceptable for all sorts of things.

 

[vbuggy]

I've had all of those and compared to some in the shit tier, I'd say they belong in reverse categories. There was a time when Zowie was unknown so simply because they're new on the scene I wouldn't rule them out.

Shape of the Deathadders definitely don't work for me. The Spawn's worked out for me though, but IMO beyond being the right shape for me, it doesn't deserve some of it's functional rep - which I don't think is all that. Wears out really quick - and I'm not an eSports guy so it's fine, but if I was actually semi-relying on a mouse for my actual living, I'd probably know that enough to put it in the shit tier.

Anyone not with a peer-belonging-need-knowitall-without-actually-owning opinon?

 

[terente]

I've a Corsair M95 and it's pretty neat. Lots of buttons that don't get in the way, tracking is excellent.

@DigDog: Ok, I agree with what's depicted. I had some of the mice there and my impressions are the same. However, IMO that's not to say that ALL other mice are s**t. With the frequency they're launching it's hard to keep track of all- I'm sure new names will appear in the God category.

 

[vbuggy]

Well, clearly the M95 is also in the shit category lol. That list is a turd.

 

[BrightCandle]

So I looked up the mouse on the manufacturers site, and its definitely going to be rubbish. Things that give it away:

1) Its a laser mouse. There are zero flawless laser sensors made today, not a single one tracks as it should. So right here this makes the mouse unsuitable for the discerning gamer.
2) Its got a weight system, which only means its heavy already. Mice should be as light as possible.
3) Lighting - more weight, not useful.


But the real give away is they don't talk about tracking, they don't tell you the sensor, they don't tell you how much the mouse weighs etc etc. Not a single useful bit of information, its all 11 buttons this and flashy lighting system that. Its rubbish, do not waste your money on this mouse.

 

[Ben90]

in esports (es reality, mlg, whatnot.) we tend to follow this:

I bet the pros tell you Cherry MX keys are the best for gaming too. The debouncing delay must be a feature that gives them more time to focus before the key activates.

For what its worth, the Zowie AM/FK are great mice; I gave mine away though because its "GOD TEIR L33t" sensor kinda sucked and could barely go over 3m/s.

 

[terente]

Well, clearly the M95 is also in the shit category lol. That list is a turd.

Not necessarily a turd but there are definitely more mice in each category.. I just can't believe all mice out there were tested and only the 3 specified are good.

Its a laser mouse. There are zero flawless laser sensors made today, not a single one tracks as it should. So right here this makes the mouse unsuitable for the discerning gamer.

We've all heard the myths.. IMO tracking is great if the surface is up to the task.
I had some that indeed had flawed sensors: Mamba, Naga, G700, RAT7, RAT9. Out of which, Mamba and Naga also had bad firmware issues, G700 developed the double-clicking issues in less than 6 months.
RATs were not obviously flawed but switching to the M95 brought great improvement to my shooting skill so there must be a connection.

Weights are indeed bad.. however, I can recall scenarios when pumped up fresh out of the gym I couldn't feel the mouse and therefore was imprecise using it. It's just for an hour or two, to me it doesn't justify adding weights.

Lights are cool if not overdone and I am sure you can turn them off in the software.



I'm also using a Logitech G602 for the laptop and can say I am impressed with it so far. It's wireless but batteries last for months, there are no perceptible tracking issues (if any) and it's optical with 2500dpi (never used more than 1600 anyway).

 

[DigDog]

I bet the pros tell you Cherry MX keys are the best for gaming too. The debouncing delay must be a feature that gives them more time to focus before the key activates.

etc.

yupp, they do. not sure about that debouncing either, google doesn't give me any answer, and i must assume *every* switch has it since its a feature any keyboard would want.
EDIT: a whopping 4ms debounce time. OMFG A WHOLE 4ms!!!

also, no offense, but when you see people like cypher, or rapha, do a flick rail 160 degrees and hit the same pixel four, five times in a row, their judgement on sensor quality carries more weight than yours.

i'll stick with using the FK, DA or G400s only .. pretty sure i won't be missing out on much.

 

[terente]

If hitting the same pixel coming out of a flick is your game then yes, you need the absolute best!
I wonder how many of us have that precision given proper tools, eeer mice.

 

[DigDog]

i said it clearly at the top of this thread. *IF* one is into that kind of extreme e-sports, then you want that kind of sensor etc.

If not, then lol, 90% of the mice on the market will do. But, even then, people will have certain needs depending on what they use the mouse for.

 

[vbuggy]

So I looked up the mouse on the manufacturers site, and its definitely going to be rubbish. Things that give it away:

1) Its a laser mouse. There are zero flawless laser sensors made today, not a single one tracks as it should. So right here this makes the mouse unsuitable for the discerning gamer.
2) Its got a weight system, which only means its heavy already. Mice should be as light as possible.
3) Lighting - more weight, not useful.


But the real give away is they don't talk about tracking, they don't tell you the sensor, they don't tell you how much the mouse weighs etc etc. Not a single useful bit of information, its all 11 buttons this and flashy lighting system that. Its rubbish, do not waste your money on this mouse.

Look, perhaps I wasn't being clear in my tone.

Regardless of what we're talking about, if you haven't used it I'm not interested in your opinion. If this thread had been me asking 'what should I buy' and you recommended against the Gamdias based on a Google search, that's fine. However in this thread I'm asking for input from anyone who has one or has used one.

Usually I never get replies to stuff I post in that vein because whatever I'm posting about is either too niche or more usually too rich for the average forum poster's blood - and I have to buy the thing myself again to try it. That I don't mind too much at this point in time because I'm just resigned to doing it pretty much all the time, but there is the occasional, rare time that someone who actually knows what they're talking about happens to blunder into one of my threads who then makes asking such questions worthwhile.

I can tell who those guys are because regardless of their personal preferences, we will have certain yardsticks that are common because we have relative experience. I can also tell who's a google-searching guy who has no personal experience and is full of shit, because the way they try to piece together views from various different sources with no common ground results in a flawed 'opinion' that I can see isn't valid.

You could be right, who knows... but you don't have the experience that's required in order to comment with any degree of authority. You being right would be merely a fluke, or at best (and from what you're typing / posting it's definitely not this) an educated guess that happened to pan out.

When I talk smack about something, I've owned it and more importantly I've owned many other items of a similar or identical class to compare it with. Otherwise I don't often feel the need to bring my 'wisdom' to others via a Google search. It's usually not useful beyond a fanboi conflict, and even then it's debatable.

 

[BrightCandle]

You could be right, who knows... but you don't have the experience that's required in order to comment with any degree of authority. You being right would be merely a fluke, or at best (and from what you're typing / posting it's definitely not this) an educated guess that happened to pan out.

When I talk smack about something, I've owned it and more importantly I've owned many other items of a similar or identical class to compare it with. Otherwise I don't often feel the need to bring my 'wisdom' to others via a Google search. It's usually not useful beyond a fanboi conflict, and even then it's debatable.

The problem is you don't have the knowledge to tell the difference between someone who does know about these things and someone who doesn't. I say laser mice all have tracking issues, and the guy before me also posted to a similar effect. But someone else says otherwise and you can't tell who is right. I have posted a lot about mice here for years, I have won a European Championship in COD and played pro counter strike and have been through pretty much all the mice on that sheet and some others. The fact you don't know my credentials is irrelevant, its not about my credentials, its about yours. You can't get good answers on forums to these sorts of questions because you'll only get common knowledge answers, and its not common knowledge that most mice are terrible its only really known in the pro circuits.

Good luck with your mouse, it'll be rubbish but you wont likely try a good mouse to know the difference.