"SHOW US the jobs!" people scream. - Give me a break says Stossel

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charrison

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ntdz
Can't you just admit when you are wrong or lie?

I'm not wrong or Lying.

The U.S. has not and is not in an Economic Boom no matter how much the Republicans try and spin that it is.
So what is the state of the economy right now then? A period of nice steady growth?

Until the U.S. produces better than $6hr Wally World jobs, it's a sinking ship. Period

average wages in this country are far greater than the 6/hour you quote.

Of course I don't expect Republicans to acknowledge there is only more and more low wage paying jobs available for people.



Of course I dont expect a fool to realize that average wages are 15-20/hour and rising faster than inflation.
 

cubeless

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the "show us the jobs" crowd, as opposed to the "sorry, i was out a)getting a job b) working at my job c)getting educated to improve my skills" crowd will always be with us... america was a good experiment in reducing the gap between the haves and the have nots, but human nature seems to be winning the war... this is why throughout history you have to have a nice revolution every now and then to bring everybody down to the minimum level so the upward cycle can all start over again...

the evil capitalists have just made the cycle take too long by creating all the nice stuff to pacify even the least in our society... they complain to each other on their cell phones after watching another bunch of carp on their tv, both of which were made way outside of the USA, which they were able to buy because of some evil capitalist outsourcing 'american' jobs...

and to all the whining liberals, where is your compassion for all of the rest of the poor and oppressed in the world who just want to make a couple bux so they can have a tv and cellphone (and maybe even indoor plumbing), too??? doesn't your limitless compassion encompass them, too?

things change. power shifts. feel free to blame the 'republicans' (blamers will always find someone to blame)... all empires die eventually... we've had a pretty good run so far, and i'm pretty sure it's still got some legs, but there's too many people in too many other countries for us to expect to way stay ahead forever...

and if u need somethign to do with all the extra time u have now that u don't have to look for someone to blame anymore, start a 'buy american' campaign... i guarantee that the evil capitalists will provide whatever it is that you actually buy! but their little black hearts won't allow them to go out of business by acting on your disingenuous words that aren't backed up with corresponding actions...
 

mAdMaLuDaWg

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Stossel is a hardcore libertarian, he puts a really nice spin on things. One of my favorite reporters. You may not always agree with him, but he gives you a very interesting spin on the issues instead of going with the latest rage in reporting.
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Between labor costs and enviromental regs, it makes it very difficult to keep labor intensive jobs on this side of the border.

Excuse and Apologist Republicans :roll:

Which part of what I said was untrue? Mexico has lower wages and little pollution control. Sorry you dont like the facts.

Describes the U.S. too.

Try and tell us the stellar record of the Bush Regime with Pollution control :roll:

Oh yeah and it's been proven now without the Microsoft Dividends to the Rich, wages are down.

Since when were dividends wages? Did you mean income?
 

dmcowen674

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Hey CAD, check this out

Now there won't even be McD jobs in the U.S.

The article says North Dakota but I am sure they will set up call centers in India.

3-10-2005 McDonald's may outsource drive-thru calls

McDonald's wants to outsource your neighborhood drive-thru.

The world's largest fast-food chain said on Thursday it is looking into using remote call centers to take customer orders in an effort to improve service at its drive-thrus.

"If you're in L.A. ... and you hear a person with a North Dakota accent taking your order, you'll know what we're up to,'' McDonald's Chief Executive Jim Skinner told analysts at the Bear Stearns Retail, Restaurants & Apparel Conference in New York.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Hey CAD, check this out

Now there won't even be McD jobs in the U.S.

The article says North Dakota but I am sure they will set up call centers in India.

3-10-2005 McDonald's may outsource drive-thru calls

McDonald's wants to outsource your neighborhood drive-thru.

The world's largest fast-food chain said on Thursday it is looking into using remote call centers to take customer orders in an effort to improve service at its drive-thrus.

"If you're in L.A. ... and you hear a person with a North Dakota accent taking your order, you'll know what we're up to,'' McDonald's Chief Executive Jim Skinner told analysts at the Bear Stearns Retail, Restaurants & Apparel Conference in New York.

I thought you would be happy about the destruction of those mcjobs.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Hey CAD, check this out

Now there won't even be McD jobs in the U.S.

The article says North Dakota but I am sure they will set up call centers in India.

3-10-2005 McDonald's may outsource drive-thru calls

McDonald's wants to outsource your neighborhood drive-thru.

The world's largest fast-food chain said on Thursday it is looking into using remote call centers to take customer orders in an effort to improve service at its drive-thrus.

"If you're in L.A. ... and you hear a person with a North Dakota accent taking your order, you'll know what we're up to,'' McDonald's Chief Executive Jim Skinner told analysts at the Bear Stearns Retail, Restaurants & Apparel Conference in New York.

This has been discussed here before. I don't think it'd save too much if any - you still need a person to take your money. Unless of course you have to buy a McD's card and you just scan it and then charge it up with money every once in a while:p

CsG
 

charrison

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Hey CAD, check this out

Now there won't even be McD jobs in the U.S.

The article says North Dakota but I am sure they will set up call centers in India.

3-10-2005 McDonald's may outsource drive-thru calls

McDonald's wants to outsource your neighborhood drive-thru.

The world's largest fast-food chain said on Thursday it is looking into using remote call centers to take customer orders in an effort to improve service at its drive-thrus.

"If you're in L.A. ... and you hear a person with a North Dakota accent taking your order, you'll know what we're up to,'' McDonald's Chief Executive Jim Skinner told analysts at the Bear Stearns Retail, Restaurants & Apparel Conference in New York.

This has been discussed here before. I don't think it'd save too much if any - you still need a person to take your money. Unless of course you have to buy a McD's card and you just scan it and then charge it up with money every once in a while:p

CsG

It would probably allow 1 person to take orders for 2 locations. Not huge saving, but large enough to not be ignored either.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Hey CAD, check this out

Now there won't even be McD jobs in the U.S.

The article says North Dakota but I am sure they will set up call centers in India.

3-10-2005 McDonald's may outsource drive-thru calls

McDonald's wants to outsource your neighborhood drive-thru.

The world's largest fast-food chain said on Thursday it is looking into using remote call centers to take customer orders in an effort to improve service at its drive-thrus.

"If you're in L.A. ... and you hear a person with a North Dakota accent taking your order, you'll know what we're up to,'' McDonald's Chief Executive Jim Skinner told analysts at the Bear Stearns Retail, Restaurants & Apparel Conference in New York.

This has been discussed here before. I don't think it'd save too much if any - you still need a person to take your money. Unless of course you have to buy a McD's card and you just scan it and then charge it up with money every once in a while:p

CsG

It would probably allow 1 person to take orders for 2 locations. Not huge saving, but large enough to not be ignored either.

But again, someone would have to take the money. One for each location and they usually are the ones taking the orders. I don't see much if any benefit to "outsourcing" order taking for fast-food.

CsG
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Hey CAD, check this out

Now there won't even be McD jobs in the U.S.

The article says North Dakota but I am sure they will set up call centers in India.

3-10-2005 McDonald's may outsource drive-thru calls

McDonald's wants to outsource your neighborhood drive-thru.

The world's largest fast-food chain said on Thursday it is looking into using remote call centers to take customer orders in an effort to improve service at its drive-thrus.

"If you're in L.A. ... and you hear a person with a North Dakota accent taking your order, you'll know what we're up to,'' McDonald's Chief Executive Jim Skinner told analysts at the Bear Stearns Retail, Restaurants & Apparel Conference in New York.

I thought you would be happy about the destruction of those mcjobs.

Why would I be happy?

This was one of the only jobs besides Wally World jobs left in the U.S.

We were up the creek without a paddle and now losing the boat.

 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Hey CAD, check this out

Now there won't even be McD jobs in the U.S.

The article says North Dakota but I am sure they will set up call centers in India.

3-10-2005 McDonald's may outsource drive-thru calls

McDonald's wants to outsource your neighborhood drive-thru.

The world's largest fast-food chain said on Thursday it is looking into using remote call centers to take customer orders in an effort to improve service at its drive-thrus.

"If you're in L.A. ... and you hear a person with a North Dakota accent taking your order, you'll know what we're up to,'' McDonald's Chief Executive Jim Skinner told analysts at the Bear Stearns Retail, Restaurants & Apparel Conference in New York.

I thought you would be happy about the destruction of those mcjobs.

Why would I be happy?

This was one of the only jobs besides Wally World jobs left in the U.S.

We were up the creek without a paddle and now losing the boat.

Other than such jobs are not taking a larger percentage of the workforce.
 

Infohawk

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Jan 12, 2002
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Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Am I supposed to take Stossel (or you for referencing him) seriously?

Not that I necessarily disagree with him on the overall conclusion... but Stossel is a clown.

and you arnt?

Nope. Are you attacking me personally?

Originally posted by: nick1985
I thought personal attacks were not allowed. You should be banned shortly according to the forum rules

 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Hey CAD, check this out

Now there won't even be McD jobs in the U.S.

The article says North Dakota but I am sure they will set up call centers in India.

3-10-2005 McDonald's may outsource drive-thru calls

McDonald's wants to outsource your neighborhood drive-thru.

The world's largest fast-food chain said on Thursday it is looking into using remote call centers to take customer orders in an effort to improve service at its drive-thrus.

"If you're in L.A. ... and you hear a person with a North Dakota accent taking your order, you'll know what we're up to,'' McDonald's Chief Executive Jim Skinner told analysts at the Bear Stearns Retail, Restaurants & Apparel Conference in New York.

This has been discussed here before. I don't think it'd save too much if any - you still need a person to take your money. Unless of course you have to buy a McD's card and you just scan it and then charge it up with money every once in a while:p

CsG

It would probably allow 1 person to take orders for 2 locations. Not huge saving, but large enough to not be ignored either.

But again, someone would have to take the money. One for each location and they usually are the ones taking the orders. I don't see much if any benefit to "outsourcing" order taking for fast-food.

CsG

LOL...I wouldn't have thought there would be savings to automating McDonalds either, but it's happening. Automatic drink loader/fillers. Automatic fry basket fillers and loaders. Looking at automatic grills. Maybe it does save enough to warrant all of these innovations.

 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Why is Stossel a clown?

He is an alarmist for one.

Stossel is not an alarmist. He's usually right on with his assesments.


Here is a good example of why I think he's a clown:

Faulty logic

Even when Stossel's facts are in order, the arguments he constructs using them often display peculiar logic. Stossel's "Is Greed Good?" special featured an experiment where a group of people sit around a bowl of money. The people can take all the money they want, but the bowl is refilled only if it isn't emptied. At the beginning of the experiment, all the cash is quickly and greedily grabbed, ending the game. The players learn to cooperate, each taking a limited amount at any one time so the bowl gets refilled, and everyone has more. Stossel's conclusion from this: "They're just as greedy, but now they're cooperating and making more. That's just how business works." Businesses refrain from making as much money as they can so that there will always be enough for everyone? Now that would be a scoop.

In a report on sex differences, Stossel pointed out that "boys play with action figures," illustrating this claim with footage of a boy playing with a Power Ranger toy.

Stossel's rebuttal to a statement from Sen. John McCain advocating campaign finance reform was to increase the flow of money into the political process: "This year, the candidates and parties will spend less on all American elections than we spend on yogurt or bowling. We spend three times as much on amusement parks. Aren't elections more important than this?" But campaign finance advocates aren't just concerned about how much campaigns spend--they worry about how much they receive from those who wish to influence legislation. One could just as plausibly argue that bribes to politicians are not a big deal because they constitute a small percentage of GDP.

FAIR

That page also says he's a fan of laissez-faire capitalism, but I don't mind that that much. It's his approach and oversimplification that I think this example displays well.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
An alarmist? How so?

He even admits it himself! :laugh:

Reason: You've said that you look back at some of your early work with regret. Give me some examples.

Stossel: I did a lot of alarmist reporting. I did an Alar story on Good Morning America. I did a story on exploding coffee pots that was probably alarmist. I did a story, because of a very passionate producer who dragged me in despite my reluctance, on a subject that is dear to your heart, passive smoke. I took a quote from [anti-smoking activist] Stanton Glantz, which if I looked at now would make me cringe a bit.

Reason

Kudos to him admitting it! Maybe he's been improving. His overall tone whenever I watch it is that the sky is falling IMHO.
 

cwjerome

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: cwjerome
An alarmist? How so?

He even admits it himself! :laugh:

Reason: You've said that you look back at some of your early work with regret. Give me some examples.

Stossel: I did a lot of alarmist reporting. I did an Alar story on Good Morning America. I did a story on exploding coffee pots that was probably alarmist. I did a story, because of a very passionate producer who dragged me in despite my reluctance, on a subject that is dear to your heart, passive smoke. I took a quote from [anti-smoking activist] Stanton Glantz, which if I looked at now would make me cringe a bit.

Reason



Oh... you mean DID (not DOES) programs he thought were alarmist and now regrets it? That's a little different story.

I read his book and he talks at length about how in his early years he was often sensationalist. I think that took honesty and guts for him to recognize. I guess you have no regrets in your life :roll:


 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
I read his book and he talks at length about how in his early years he was often sensationalist. I think that took honesty and guts for him to recognize. I guess you have no regrets in your life :roll:

Hey, I said good for him for admitting it.

Like I said, that's still the tone when I see him. I can't remember every thing I've ever seen that has annoyed me-- sorry. I think the exploding coffee pots and the "greedy" experiment are representative IMO. I think those are pretty good examples. If you look at the FAIR website you'll see some more recent examples.
 

cwjerome

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OK, you edited that in before I finished replying.

Incidently, that's a great Reason Magazine article you linked, I encourage anyone to check it out.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Both my parents and many of their friends are in the programming industry and the one thing they tell me to tell my CSE (computer science engineering) friends is to try to stay away from basic programming. It's still very difficult. While I agree outsourcing has been blown out of proportion, the programming industry has been going downhill for many years, and there is no end in sight.
Eh, basic anything is not the way to go if you plan on being employed for any length of time. There's still a million and one jobs out there for programmers in North America if you can demostrate the capacity to learn and adapt - which is really the strong point of the Western model of schooling.

Outsourcing...an inescapable result of the rest of world finally starting to equalize the advantages North America has had for decades. No longer are the best and brightest of the world required to flock to this continent for fame, recognition or the tools required to lead in their field. Of course, this enrichment of lesser nations also creates an enormous amount of opportunity. It's a great time to be alive.

Agreed!
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: Tab
This is one of the only things I'll ever agree with you on Cad.

Someone said this eariler, it's not out sourcing it's the types of jobs that we're losing...

Wow! We're losing crappy low paying jobs! Oh no!



You mean computer science and mechanical engineering jobs? Yeah those are crappy. I'm sure you're a rocket scientist.