Show Me The Money!

[jonks]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: rudder
Classic case of government efficiency. Even when a dealer gets the cash back from the government, they have no way to tell which car they are getting reimbursed for. So if there is a problem with another reimbursement it would be a headache to sort out.

And people think the gov't could run our healthcare system.... it'd be doctors in this article instead of dealers... no ... thank... you...

Yeah, my insurance company never sent me a bill they clearly should have paid and then put me on voicemail hell for an hour trying to get an answer why they didn't pay it. Private insurance ftw.

And "the gov't" runs the armed forces too. Apparently the Am Gov can spread democracy over the world and run global military initiatives, but you think stamping a form for a doctor bill is beyond them.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Marlin1975


Lets see...

1. lack of any thing to back up your claims
2. Lack of anything to show my claims are false
3. calling names, esp socialist


yep just another right wing troll that can;t be bothered by facts. :laugh:

1. I did - you seem to ignore the facts. typical
2. Uhhh... I posted 2 links showing that docs weren't getting paid by medicare.
3. spades are spades... sorry you can't handle the truth.

No you showed that the system to make them even MORE efficent had some probelms during the switch, and those problems were by GASP outside private workers/contractors. But docs were still getting paid, unlike the examples out there of insurance companies not paying at all. And so much so laws had to be made to make them pay.

Your links did nto show that private runs better then medicare. In fcat your links show that the problems were in private side not the Gov side.


Again... pesky facts. :laugh:

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: rudder
Classic case of government efficiency. Even when a dealer gets the cash back from the government, they have no way to tell which car they are getting reimbursed for. So if there is a problem with another reimbursement it would be a headache to sort out.

And people think the gov't could run our healthcare system.... it'd be doctors in this article instead of dealers... no ... thank... you...

Yeah, my insurance company never sent me a bill they clearly should have paid and then put me on voicemail hell for an hour trying to get an answer why they didn't pay it. Private insurance ftw.

And "the gov't" runs the armed forces too. Apparently the Am Gov can spread democracy over the world and run global military initiatives, but you think stamping a form for a doctor bill is beyond them.

Some of us would argue that we're really not all that good at doing that either.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Marlin1975


Lets see...

1. lack of any thing to back up your claims
2. Lack of anything to show my claims are false
3. calling names, esp socialist


yep just another right wing troll that can;t be bothered by facts. :laugh:

1. I did - you seem to ignore the facts. typical
2. Uhhh... I posted 2 links showing that docs weren't getting paid by medicare.
3. spades are spades... sorry you can't handle the truth.

No you showed that the system to make them even MORE efficent had some probelms during the switch, and those problems were by GASP outside private workers/contractors. But docs were still getting paid, unlike the examples out there of insurance companies not paying at all. And so much so laws had to be made to make them pay.

Your links did nto show that private runs better then medicare. In fcat your links show that the problems were in private side not the Gov side.


Again... pesky facts. :laugh:

And GASP - do you really think that it'll be any different in the long run? Hells no. There will always be private contractors in the gov't - and there will also be switches regarding those which will create problems. So while you try to blame the contractors and/or the switch - you really should be looking at the gov't who should have had things in place BEFORE trying to make the switch. You know.... kind of like this clunker business. They had this plan and turned on the switch but didn't put the systems in place to handle the plan. So while you want to believe and trust in the gov't for your every need - some of us don't want to be forced into having to deal with the snafus from change overs due to some bureaucrat's feel good BS.

I never said my links showed that - try reading. And no - again so you'll be sure to understand - they tried to make a switch without having things in place - that is the gov't fault - PERIOD. The gov't was in charge of the program - if they didn't have safeguards in place to prevent snafus - that is their fault. Their program - their fault - period. Yep, pesky little facts that you gov't teet suckers like to gloss over.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: jonks
And "highly disciplined Sergeants Major" run the armed forces. Apparently the Am Gov can spread democracy over the world and run global military initiatives, but you think stamping a form for a doctor bill is beyond them.

Fixed.

The military operates much differently and much more efficiently than any other Federal entity -- yet it's still not a shining beacon of efficiency by any stretch of the imagination. (I've been waiting on some replacement printer cartridges and paper for over three months! :laugh

So, unless you plan to put Sergeants Major in charge of healthcare, please do not ever compare it with the rest of the "Am Gov" again.

 

[sandorski]

If the Program had lasted the estimated 3(ish) months as intended, all the Payments probably would/could have been Paid within the allotted period. However, the Program was far more successful than Estimated, creating a flood of Applications the established Bureaucracy couldn't possibly cope with.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: sandorski
If the Program had lasted the estimated 3(ish) months as intended, all the Payments probably would/could have been Paid within the allotted period. However, the Program was far more successful than Estimated, creating a flood of Applications the established Bureaucracy couldn't possibly cope with.

Which is something that could have been predicted and planned for accordingly if any thought at all had been given to doing it right on the first try. Market studies and analysis FTW.

If the same poor planning had been done in the private sector, someone would get fired.

 

[idiotekniQues]

the program was too popular for its own good.

on top of that, most large private business operate on terms closer to Net60 to put things into perspective.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan


If the same poor planning had been done in the private sector, someone would get fired.

LOL @ that one. I've seen many cases of "poor planning" in the private sector that not only DID NOT result in a firing, the person in planning actually advanced up the ladder. My company is full of stupid planners that advance (because they know how to BS) and I'm sure that the company that I work for isn't the only one.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm sure they'll a better job running healthcare.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: sandorski
If the Program had lasted the estimated 3(ish) months as intended, all the Payments probably would/could have been Paid within the allotted period. However, the Program was far more successful than Estimated, creating a flood of Applications the established Bureaucracy couldn't possibly cope with.

Which is something that could have been predicted and planned for accordingly if any thought at all had been given to doing it right on the first try. Market studies and analysis FTW.

If the same poor planning had been done in the private sector, someone would get fired.

They didn't have years to Plan it out. They also didn't have much preceding Programs of the type to examine. First Attempts often have serious flaws. If the Program gets repeated, you can bet that it will address the flaws exposed in this attempt.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I'm sure they'll a better job running healthcare.

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