Shouldn't this be considered an act of war?

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Notice how Mexico has its military on the border, while our military is in Iraq

that's an unfair comparison. iraq posed a threat (allegedly) while mexico is supporting organizations (allegedly) that are illegal and dangerous according to us law.

 

[JTsyo]

Witht he whole border situation, why aren't we pressuring Mexico to patrol their border? We should charge them for each illegal immigrant that we have to send back. The charge should be enough to encourage them to patrol and catch them before they cross.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: JTsyo
Witht he whole border situation, why aren't we pressuring Mexico to patrol their border? We should charge them for each illegal immigrant that we have to send back. The charge should be enough to encourage them to patrol and catch them before they cross.

calderon has stated throughout his presidency that california still belongs to mexico, and that impoverished citizen should seek us assistance rather than asking own government.

*checks wikipedia*

yeah, still there.


if calderon wont cooperate, then i dont see any reason why there shouldnt be a wall.


a couple billion dollars is nothing compared to the money being wasted on enforcing border patrol and taking the hit for illegal activities stateside that have proven to be very very costly.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Craig234
An act of war - sort of like President Polk announcing the border had shifted far into Mexican lands and moving some troops to the new 'border' deep in Mexican territory, to provoke a war in which we 'defended' ourselves and took about half of Mexico? Act a little more self righteous. Ya, we need to 'defend the border', but a little perspective before pretending our nation has an unblemished record is nice.

So, the Mexican military escorting drug smugglers across the modern borders into our country, and shooting at our countrymen, is somehow justified, or should be looked at in a different light, all because of some historical grievances with the way the lines were drawn!?!?

allllllllrighty then.

what a fvcking kook...

Time for more cleanup of righty droppings, who simply cannot read simple English, and correct the misrepresentations of what I said.

My point was at those who are overly self-righteous about our border rights, who either don't know or have double standards about them as a way of pretending their history is unblemished on respecting borders (the same people in most cases who are happy for the US to invade other nations, such as Iraq, as well), to point out that the attitude is wrong.

Who does the kook Palehorse see as a kook - the person who mentions some history, or the guy who says 'let's shoot dozens of civilian mexicans in the head who are trying to find work in the US'? You got it, the one who mentions the history. The people coming to work are not the Mexican military who are doing those things, but see the posts against them.

I said we need to 'defend the border', but the kook Palehorse can't read too well, and so he misrepresents my post as saying the opposite.

The point is that the kooks, Palehorse and others, get into a frenzy over the idea of some issue of border rights giving them the justification for whatever self-righteous claims of being wronged, without any regard to the history, and they get carried away in this self-righteousness to not only 'defending the border' appropriately, but to excessive schemes. The day I see a balanced post from someone like Palehorse, mentioning anything about the larger context of history, of the moral responsibilities regarding the inequities of wealth, along with the issue of border responsibility, well let's just say I'll watch the news for planes crashing into pigs.

It's a disaster how the drug corruption in Mexico and other corruption has affected some of the authorities, where you see shootouts between police and military and such.

The solutions to those problems don't lie in kooks calling for blowing off the heads of the workers who cross the borders and other such yahoo positions.

When you say "I said we need to 'defend the border', what exactly do you mean? Do you think we need to make sure NO ONE enteres this country illegally? Or should we perhaps interview those crossing to find out of theyre coming to pick corn, and if they say yes, let them cross? Tell us exactly what you mean by protecting the border..

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: JTsyo
Witht he whole border situation, why aren't we pressuring Mexico to patrol their border? We should charge them for each illegal immigrant that we have to send back. The charge should be enough to encourage them to patrol and catch them before they cross.

The northern border, no. The southern border, oohhh yes. It is widely reported they shoot, torture, and kill anyone caught crossing illegally from South America. Fucking hypocrites.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Craig234
An act of war - sort of like President Polk announcing the border had shifted far into Mexican lands and moving some troops to the new 'border' deep in Mexican territory, to provoke a war in which we 'defended' ourselves and took about half of Mexico? Act a little more self righteous. Ya, we need to 'defend the border', but a little perspective before pretending our nation has an unblemished record is nice.

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
You want to talk about a little perspective? Yours might be a little better if you'd pull your head out of your ass on the subject. Who cares about what happend in the past. If you want to open that can of worms then we just as well all move back top Europe and give the country to the native americans.

I know my relatives who have been shoved onto reservations would vote for that plan...

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
If these were Iranians going into Iraq with cover provided by the Iranian military it'd be all we hear about on the news. Instead we have over 200 documented incidents and hardly anybody knows about it and people like you try to downplay what's going on.

That's my perspective and I don't really care what anybody else thinks. I live well over 1000 miles form the border and we have illegals all over the place. They have NO ancestoral claims on any of the land around here so your argument is without merit to me.

I've been all over the US and have seen Mexicans/Central Americans (not just Americans of Hispanic origin) everywhere I've been. Are they ALL Illegal Immigrants? Certainly I don't know, but I sure can't believe they are all here on green cards. While I think we are letting too dammed many in as it is, I know we're not letting them in by the millions every year.

Here in Kahleeforneeya, it's a fucking invasion.

I do NOT advocate killing the folks who are coming here looking for work, but FAR TOO MANY of the illegals end up in gangs and are involved in drug (meth) production and sales, as well as auto theft and other violent crimes.
SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!

Same in AZ

 

[Darwin333]

While I sympathize with the Mexicans, and often Central and South Americans, that are crossing the border with the hope of finding a better life something must be done quickly. First, we need to secure the border. I am in favor of a big ass concrete wall to drastically slow down the flow of illegals crossing the border. Just take those huge concrete bridge sections and turn em around. Bury the bottom 4 or 5 feet in the ground and top it with barbed wire and sensors that will alert someone immediately if its been cut. It won't stop them all but it will stop a majority of them. After that is done we need to come up with a much better/easier system for people to legally enter and work in the US.

As far as the Mexican military is concerned, the moment they intentionally cross onto US soil and point a gun at any US citizen, LEO or otherwise, they should be blown to hell.