Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

[RocksteadyDotNet]

" Should welfare recipients be drug tested ? "

Yes !

And if positive :

loose welfare $$'s / section 8

but not food-stamps or programs to help them get treatment and or job training programs.

I'm all for testing all Congress and Senate members ... all State / Federal employees as well !

Great...

So when they're broke and living on the street I guess you don't mind if they come and rob your house.

Some people on this forum are so dumb.

 

[pcgeek11]

Another pet peave is medicare. They don't have to pay a dime. They will call an ambulance to take them to the ER for a cold so they don't have to spend their gas and money to by cold medicine. No, I'm not joking. A $1000 bill for an ambulance and ER trip so save them $5. Why not all it takes is a couple hours of their time but since they don't work they have plenty of it.

I think you mean Medicaid which is welfare.

Medicare is taken out of most peoples checks every payday.

 

[Zebo]

No but they should be worked. There should not be a spec of trash anywhere in this country with 44,000,000 on food stamps and I don't know how many on welfare.

I don't mind helping people but something for nothing is a big big problem.

 

[Zebo]

Great...

So when they're broke and living on the street I guess you don't mind if they come and rob your house.

Some people on this forum are so dumb.

No problem. America has been getting setup for this eventuality for a couple decades. We already live in gated compounds away from people in many places. Many of these have 24 hour security and private armed guards.You ever seen how the rich and upper middle class live in South America? That's how we will be. Nothing the poor can do about it.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

No problem. America has been getting setup for this eventuality for a couple decades. We already live in gated compounds away from people in many places. Many of these have 24 hour security and private armed guards.You ever seen how the rich and upper middle class live in South America? That's how we will be. Nothing the poor can do about it.

And this is why America is a shithole.

 

[sandorski]

No problem. America has been getting setup for this eventuality for a couple decades. We already live in gated compounds away from people in many places. Many of these have 24 hour security and private armed guards.You ever seen how the rich and upper middle class live in South America? That's how we will be. Nothing the poor can do about it.

Emulating South America is an accomplishment?

 

[Zebo]

Emulating South America is an accomplishment?

No.

 

[TechAZ]

I'm more concerned about people who make more than enough money to even be on welfare, and still get free healthcare/food stamps. I have crossed paths with quite a few people who were recipients of both, all with new cars, smartphones, high speed internet, cable tv, new clothes every week, out drinking every weekend, etc etc.

 

[Zebo]

I'm more concerned about people who make more than enough money to even be on welfare, and still get free healthcare/food stamps. I have crossed paths with quite a few people who were recipients of both, all with new cars, smartphones, high speed internet, cable tv, new clothes every week, out drinking every weekend, etc etc.

Fraud is rampant same with unemployment fraud. That's one reason why they should have to show. Hard to sell drugs when you have to work 8 hours a day. Might as well spend 8 hours more selling drugs.

 

[Slew Foot]

Welfare recipients should get a bullet to the head. Solves everyones problems.

 

[irishScott]

And this is why America is a shithole.

Not really. Last I checked I grew up upper-middle-class and never lived in such a neighborhood for a second. Zebo is dreaming.

I agree with him they should be put to work though. Food stamps and such are fine, but welfare should be temporary government employment, even if you are just sweeping streets.

 

[RU482]

So you're a proponent of government paternalism?

To me it seems logical that if you are getting something (welfare money) you should be giving something back (for the sake of this discussion, you can give back a jar of piss). Not so much paternalism, that was only an example.

 

[IGBT]

secular regressives want them on drugs so they stay on welfare. How else are the welfare admin's going to stay in their plush mahogany row offices if they can't maintain a fiefdom of dopers on welfare??

 

[rudeguy]

Welfare recipients should get a bullet to the head. Solves everyones problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_xDdpT4YwQ

Sam Kinison was a smart feller...

 

[1prophet]

Thats always a nice idea until you realise it puts other people out of work. Theres no easy fix for high unemployment levels, and having a small pool of unemployed people is inevitable. I don't see why we have to make their lives miserable though.

You sound just like the naysayers back then, but as usual naysayers only offer criticism not solutions.

 

[boomhower]

Thats always a nice idea until you realise it puts other people out of work. Theres no easy fix for high unemployment levels, and having a small pool of unemployed people is inevitable. I don't see why we have to make their lives miserable though.

Notice I didn't say unemployment. Those on unemployment want to get back into the workforce and are just in a down spot. Welfare is a way of life for most people on it. They have no desire to work, most never have and never will. They feel entitled to receive a check and a place to live for nothing. They feel they responsibilities in life are partying and popping out kids to get a bigger check. Make them work to receive their checks as well. Pick up trash on the side of the road. Sort trash at the recycling place. Pain public building that has been spray painted by their uncontrolled kids.

 

[her209]

Why stop at welfare? Let's expand this program to anyone that receives tax dollars.

 

[Darwin333]

*shrug* Its you pissing in a jar to keep your job not me.

Exactly. The more people pissed about having to do it maybe the sooner none of us do. Until then, if those that make the money gotta do it those that take the money they make should have to do it as well. That should apply to legislators as well.

 

[Darwin333]

Why stop at welfare? Let's expand this program to anyone that receives tax dollars.

Well if those that work are already being tested and we start testing those that don't work, that is damn near everyone already.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

lolwut? No, that is Mandatory. Fail.

No it's voluntary. Sort of like "you don't have to buy health insurance you can just pay a fee not to have it" Irony is delicious.

So you're a proponent of government paternalism?

Being intimately acquainted with our system it already IS government paternalism. We have a system which amounts to daddy's paycheck, but even better. Daddy doesn't get a raise for pumping out more mouths to feed.

Thats always a nice idea until you realise it puts other people out of work. Theres no easy fix for high unemployment levels, and having a small pool of unemployed people is inevitable. I don't see why we have to make their lives miserable though.

Not in the US. Municipalities no longer have the resources to clean the streets. It's going to support medicaid. We have enough graffiti to remove, enough potholes to fill and streets to clean to keep people busy. You cannot take the job of someone who isn't doing it.

Great... So when they're broke and living on the street I guess you don't mind if they come and rob your house. Some people on this forum are so dumb.

Well they have the option of not using drugs. Problem solved. If they decide to quit medicaid and use drugs and come after people like me, guess what? That won't last long, but I will.


The curious thing is that people want to keep a broken system for one reason or another and will justify it no matter what. This is a major reason that the system is broken.

 

[brandonb]

Yes, there should be random drug tests.

I think we'd find that there are more people on drugs than we thought. When we eliminate those payments, that savings right there would pay for the tests. Then only randomly with a select few here and there, do the tests on a more regular basis.

Much like an audit with the IRS... There is enough there to make you pay your taxes and to do it right, with stiff enough penalties to prevent you from cheating... But the auditing isn't routine. Very rarely does someone get audited (it's what? 1 in 100? or was it 1 in 1000?)... If we make cheaters (drug users, etc) on welfare a stiff penalty with a big crackdown here and there, I think we'd probably solve alot of the issues. (People cheating the system or using the system for drugs, etc)

 

[Darwin333]

Great...

So when they're broke and living on the street I guess you don't mind if they come and rob your house.

Some people on this forum are so dumb.

So you don't think employers should be allowed to drug test either? After all, if they fail and lose their jobs they could end up broke and robbing your house.

 

[her209]

Well if those that work are already being tested and we start testing those that don't work, that is damn near everyone already.

No, that is not everyone. When I say anyone, it means everyone including students who receive financial aid in the form of subsidized loans to grants. Should also include anyone that receives tax money indirectly including employees of government contractors to county/state subsidized or funded hospitals. I'm still on the fence on whether granny should be tested since receiving Social Security and Medicare benefits, but since we're testing people on disability, I'm leaning towards it. Should include members of the armed forces at all levels as well.

The employers may do some testing, but that should be considered separate from the government ones.

 

[Ancalagon44]

I dont think its unreasonable for government to impose requirements for welfare. Like, either you need to be disabled and unable to work, or you need to provide proof that you are looking for work, and not abusing substances, whether banned or not (ie including alcohol). Make a genuine effort to reform your life, and Big Brother will help you. Otherwise, starve on the street. And turn to crime at your own peril.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No, that is not everyone. When I say anyone, it means everyone including students who receive financial aid in the form of subsidized loans to grants. Should also include anyone that receives tax money indirectly including employees of government contractors to county/state subsidized or funded hospitals. I'm still on the fence on whether granny should be tested since receiving Social Security and Medicare benefits, but since we're testing people on disability, I'm leaning towards it.

Well give me free healthcare and not have to pay taxes and I'll pee in a cup.
If you don't I'll rob you