Should welfare recipients be allowed to have luxury items?

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96Firebird

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Not enough free government money. Sucks, but if there's no money, there's no money, cut something else in your budget so you can pay the heating bill like everyone else.

No, I mean litterally look at the picture. She is demanding handouts from the government, but has THAT behind her?
 

werepossum

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You are seriously out of touch with the way business is done. I've never submitted a resume in person. This is the year 2011. You apply online, often with a web application rather than a resume, and then you interview over the phone or in person if you live in the same city. I got a job at the County of Maui when I lived in Texas, which in your 20th century world would be impossible. Very interesting how you're willing to limit your job applicants to people who actually live in Chatanooga because of some misguided traditionalism... I imagine that's a very mediocre talent pool.

Edit: skipped over the part about you looking at emailed resumes for people out of town. So what the hell did you write your post for? Are you saying people on welfare shouldn't apply for jobs out of town?
I'm saying that people with the ability to apply in person but not the gumption need not apply. If someone on welfare isn't willing to make the trek to a local business - however inconvenient it might be - why the hell would we want to hire them? Someone who can't even be bothered to make an effort beyond an emailed resume to get a job is hardly likely to make a good employee. Similarly, someone out of town can send a resume by letter, indicating a willingness to do a certain minimum of work. Point being, Internet service is a luxury, NOT a necessity which must then be furnished for every deadbeat.
 

xj0hnx

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No, I mean litterally look at the picture. She is demanding handouts from the government, but has THAT behind her?

Ahh lol, I though it was a picture from the office she had to go to or something. Hell yea, selling that 360 alone will pay the heating bill.
 
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I'm saying that people with the ability to apply in person but not the gumption need not apply. If someone on welfare isn't willing to make the trek to a local business - however inconvenient it might be - why the hell would we want to hire them? Someone who can't even be bothered to make an effort beyond an emailed resume to get a job is hardly likely to make a good employee. Similarly, someone out of town can send a resume by letter, indicating a willingness to do a certain minimum of work. Point being, Internet service is a luxury, NOT a necessity which must then be furnished for every deadbeat.

How would they even know if a recruiting company exists only on the web and only reports jobs via e-mail?

It's not about inconvenience, it's about the reality of todays job market.

This is completely taken off of how my Daughter, Son and my daughters Husband got a job, all through the internet, they wouldn't even have known there was an opening if they didn't have access to the internet.

Personally, i've never had a civilian job.
 

96Firebird

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The internet is not needed to get a job. There are postings in the paper, on signs, in windows. They may not be office jobs that pay well, but minimum wage jobs are still jobs. The problem is, welfare pays better than part-time minimum wage, so why bother?
 

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i have a question... since a smart phone might make my job easier, should all people on welfare get a smart phone since it might make it easier for them later? if so, i need to get on welfare so i can get a smart phone.
 

xj0hnx

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The internet is not needed to get a job. There are postings in the paper, on signs, in windows. They may not be office jobs that pay well, but minimum wage jobs are still jobs. The problem is, welfare pays better than part-time minimum wage, so why bother?

Yip, I see signs in windows everyday stating "Help Wanted".
 
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The internet is not needed to get a job. There are postings in the paper, on signs, in windows. They may not be office jobs that pay well, but minimum wage jobs are still jobs. The problem is, welfare pays better than part-time minimum wage, so why bother?

I don't get this, is that true for the US? I've read that on welfare and no other income you can buy a BMW M5, have a large flat screen TV in every room of a big house and so on...

Personally, i think it's bullsheit, i think it's people making shit up just so they can have something to be angry about.

In the UK, you get to own one TV, one computer if you have one, the value of the computer is important, no car, no house, no money, no power tools besides a drill and you don't get money for clothes, you get checks to buy them where you can buy them.

In the UK, whether you are on welfare or unemployed, you cannot say no to a job that the unemployment office assigns to you either.

You basically get rent paid +£200 a month.
 

Orignal Earl

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The internet is not needed to get a job. There are postings in the paper, on signs, in windows. They may not be office jobs that pay well, but minimum wage jobs are still jobs. The problem is, welfare pays better than part-time minimum wage, so why bother?


Why is everyone shitting on Obama then?
There's work everywhere, a guy just has to take a stroll down the street.
Score 2 of them part time min wage jobs and your set.
 

96Firebird

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That is a great question. I guess people are bitching because the decent paying jobs are no longer there.
 

Orignal Earl

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That is a great question. I guess people are bitching because the decent paying jobs are no longer there.

Ah ya maybe..
So it's probably the dude who used to have the high paying job but Is too lazy to work 2 jobs so sits on the welfare who is to blame
 

xj0hnx

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Ah ya maybe..
So it's probably the dude who used to have the high paying job but Is too lazy to work 2 jobs so sits on the welfare who is to blame

No, he's the one riding out three years of unemployment, the single mom with 18 kids driving the Escalade is the one to blame duh.
 

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I don't get this, is that true for the US? I've read that on welfare and no other income you can buy a BMW M5, have a large flat screen TV in every room of a big house and so on...

Personally, i think it's bullsheit, i think it's people making shit up just so they can have something to be angry about.

In the UK, you get to own one TV, one computer if you have one, the value of the computer is important, no car, no house, no money, no power tools besides a drill and you don't get money for clothes, you get checks to buy them where you can buy them.

In the UK, whether you are on welfare or unemployed, you cannot say no to a job that the unemployment office assigns to you either.

You basically get rent paid +£200 a month.
it's not bullshit that people make more on unemployment or welfare than they do working minimum wage, in some places. there's no way i would be able to survive on my own where i live doing either.
 

Orignal Earl

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No, he's the one riding out three years of unemployment, the single mom with 18 kids driving the Escalade is the one to blame duh.

He should still get a couple of those jobs though, just too damn lazy.
The single mom with 18 kids drivinin around in her escalade living the welfare dream should do a reality show
 

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The internet is not needed to get a job. There are postings in the paper, on signs, in windows. They may not be office jobs that pay well, but minimum wage jobs are still jobs. The problem is, welfare pays better than part-time minimum wage, so why bother?
So far, I haven't gotten as far as an interview by anything but personal networking, but jobs in the paper? Not only is the paper costly, but there are only a few a week. Total. Craigslist has decimated help wanted.

On top of that, an internet connection is cheaper than the daily paper. Whether the internet is needed to get a job or not, the paper is a worse option.
 

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Between this and the drug thread, the number and scale of misconceptions about poverty in the US that posters here have is just astounding. This thread is FAIL.

But go ahead, keep on thinking that living in poverty on welfare is all puppies, unicorns, and rainbows.
 

Zebo

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A work requirement would take care of all this shit. Fraud is a huge huge problem. You got drug dealer on welfare, prostitutes, under the table folk, and "single" but really has baby daddy at home who have plenty of income, undeclared income to buy these "luxuries" and still be on welfare and medicare for them and children. Make them show up for 8 hours a day, both parties, if applicable, and either they would stop drawing because their other line of work is more profitable, or they are truly needy and would have no "luxuries".

There are sociological and anthropological reasons for a work requirement as well but working for money and benefits would eliminate your concerns.
 

96Firebird

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So far, I haven't gotten as far as an interview by anything but personal networking, but jobs in the paper? Not only is the paper costly, but there are only a few a week. Total. Craigslist has decimated help wanted.

On top of that, an internet connection is cheaper than the daily paper. Whether the internet is needed to get a job or not, the paper is a worse option.

So take a walk to the library and use the computers there? And you're saying you don't have local "for sale" papers that specialize in car sales, home sales, jobs, etc...?
 

Zebo

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I don't get this, is that true for the US? I've read that on welfare and no other income you can buy a BMW M5, have a large flat screen TV in every room of a big house and so on...

Personally, i think it's bullsheit, i think it's people making shit up just so they can have something to be angry about.

In the UK, you get to own one TV, one computer if you have one, the value of the computer is important, no car, no house, no money, no power tools besides a drill and you don't get money for clothes, you get checks to buy them where you can buy them.

In the UK, whether you are on welfare or unemployed, you cannot say no to a job that the unemployment office assigns to you either.

You basically get rent paid +£200 a month.
It's not bullshit. Plenty of us seen with our own eyes. Anyone who has spent any time around a section 8 apt complex where they sleep till noon, many have nicer cars and big screens, and make money from nighttime illegal activity. Technically they have no income so they get house/food/medical aka welfare.
 
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it's not bullshit that people make more on unemployment or welfare than they do working minimum wage, in some places. there's no way i would be able to survive on my own where i live doing either.

So basically, what you are saying is that people who are working can't survive on their money but those on welfare are richer than the middle class, driving sports cars, having houses with a flat screen TV in every room of the house?

Or is it just so that no welfare recipient has a house, no nice car and if they have a TV in their run down apartment it's a 14" with bad reception just like it is in the rest of the world?

I really despise the liars, we have them over here too, but here you can replace the "welfar recipient" with illegal alien from India.
 
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It's not bullshit. Plenty of us seen with our own eyes. Anyone who has spent any time around a section 8 apt complex where they sleep till noon, many have nicer cars and big screens, and make money from nighttime illegal activity. Technically they have no income so they get house/food/medical aka welfare.

LOL... well if that is the case, then you are fucking retarded for letting them keep that.

I've heard about it in the UK too, it's not true though, sure, they drive daddys car at time but it's not theirs and they live in shitty fucking hellholes, the lot of them, they really do.
 

Zebo

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LOL... well if that is the case, then you are fucking retarded for letting them keep that.

I've heard about it in the UK too, it's not true though, sure, they drive daddys car at time but it's not theirs and they live in shitty fucking hellholes, the lot of them, they really do.

Indeed we are. Section 8 here does not even have to be an apartment. Many live on decent houses because home owners like guaranteed federal money and there is an effort to not stigmatize the people on welfare and get them out of the section 8 apartments (which some are shitholes) One I spent a few hours at was not bad tho. Brand new apartments. They'll prolly have to bull doze them after 10 years but still not bad. Ive lived worse with a young family and making dick and trying to save.

The problem is it's virtually impossible to prove fraud and case load is too high..some 80 million get some form of welfare. You'd have to have a case worker damn near live with each welfare precipitants to come to conclusion. Too much money and time. Then they can sue if cut off anyway costing more money. So the welfare system is basically come one come all without many checks.
 

Zebo

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Between this and the drug thread, the number and scale of misconceptions about poverty in the US that posters here have is just astounding. This thread is FAIL.

But go ahead, keep on thinking that living in poverty on welfare is all puppies, unicorns, and rainbows.

I don't have any misconceptions. I have one dead beat in my family (don't we all?) who loves the life of "poverty" and tells me so. When he' not in prison for assault or dealing, which he also likes, he sleeps till 2 pm, sells & does drugs all day, fucks baby mommas all night, 3 of whom have his children all on welfare, until he passes out. He says we are the fools working.

My family divorced him about 5 years ago but that was normal attitude when I visited him once. All the deadbeat guys came over to his apartment smoked bowls in the middle of the day and that's when I left. I was there to try and get him straight and offer a job to him but after what I saw obviously he was not interested.
 
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