Should this extremely late term abortion have been allowed?

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cquark

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Should doctors have been permitted to remove a 16-year old fetus from a teenage boy? You don't get much later term than this. From http://www.thedailystar.net/2005/06/26/d5062601107.htm
Doctors at the Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujib Medical University (BSMMU) yesterday operated on the boy named Abu Raihan and found a foetus-in-foeto--the term for such unborn foetus--weighing 1.5 kilograms.

The foetus was found with grown up hair, legs and the genital although the development of the head and brain was very little. It also had two teeth and two slightly developed hands.

It is a matter of surprise how a boy could carry a living "child" in his body without any uterus! "We were prepared for such a surprise," said Prof MA Majid of the surgery department. "Medical science says it is possible but this is the first such case in my professional life," said the former head of the surgery department of Dhaka Medical College Hospital.
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Biology definitely doesn't respect human social constructs of separate individuals.
 
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Originally posted by: cquark
Should doctors have been permitted to remove a 16-year old fetus from a teenage boy? You don't get much later term than this. From http://www.thedailystar.net/2005/06/26/d5062601107.htm
Doctors at the Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujib Medical University (BSMMU) yesterday operated on the boy named Abu Raihan and found a foetus-in-foeto--the term for such unborn foetus--weighing 1.5 kilograms.

The foetus was found with grown up hair, legs and the genital although the development of the head and brain was very little. It also had two teeth and two slightly developed hands.

It is a matter of surprise how a boy could carry a living "child" in his body without any uterus! "We were prepared for such a surprise," said Prof MA Majid of the surgery department. "Medical science says it is possible but this is the first such case in my professional life," said the former head of the surgery department of Dhaka Medical College Hospital.
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We'll, seems pretty cut and dry. To the pro life crowd this is murder. to the pro-choice crowd this was a common sense abortion. Very odd though. I'm a little suspect of the source though, since I've never heard of it and I havent heard of this from any other sources.
 
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Harvey

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This smells like a tabloid story, but assuming, for the moment, that it's true, basic anatomy dictates that there was no way for the fetus to exit the host so there was no other option.
 
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This clearly is not cut and dry, a boy carrying a child? There's more to the story, how did he get pregnant? I'm very suspect of the source. If true, this isn't abortion but rather a bizarre medical condition.
 
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Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Harvey
This smells like a tabloid story, but assuming, for the moment, that it's true, basic anatomy dictates that there was no way for the fetus to exit the host so there was no other option.
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I think if you wanted to be consistent with the uber pro-life view you would say that the kid had to deal with it. The page itself looks like a tabloid but the site's front page looks less like it.
 
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Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Tab
How is this possible?
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Couldn't you think of it as a very small siamese twin? If twins can share skulls I don't see why something like this wouldn't be. If it's true.
 
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think if you wanted to be consistent with the uber pro-life view you would say that the kid had to deal with it.
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But I don't agree with them. I've got much better sense than that. :cool:
The page itself looks like a tabloid but the site's front page looks less like it.
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I checked. It looks like a legitimate Indian news site.

cquark didn't include the whole article. The explanation of how it happened:
During the pregnancy of the boy's mother, the growth of the twin embryos in the uterus had imbalance. At a certain period of growth, one of the embryos entered into the other due to lack of space in the mother's uterus.
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If that's for real, it's as unfortunate as any Siamese twin story, but that's no excuse for not allowing the kid a chance at a normal life.
 
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Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Whaspe
Like I said, this isn't an abortion issue.
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It might not be an abortion in that there was no pregancy, but it raises the same issues. Can one person control his or her body when some people think there is attached living tissue?
 
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nageov3t

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the real questions are: should he be charged for the murder of his brother in the womb, and should he be charged as an adult for the crime?
 
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They separate siamese twins all the time, it is for the benefit of the children to be separated but they don't always live. Is a doctor charged with performing these surgeries? How about the parents?
 
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Tab
How is this possible?
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Couldn't you think of it as a very small siamese twin? If twins can share skulls I don't see why something like this wouldn't be. If it's true.
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Conjoined twins myslexia.
 
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Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Whaspe
They separate siamese twins all the time, it is for the benefit of the children to be separated but they don't always live. Is a doctor charged with performing these surgeries? How about the parents?
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And a lot of doctors think certain late-term abortions are in the interest of the mother. Abortion isn't charged in a most places either. Comes down to one person having something in their body they don't want there. Some people make a moral issue out of it in one case. If they were consistent they'd make a moral issue out of both cases.
 
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Originally posted by: bthorny
I predict the baby killer shouters won't come near this one.......crickets
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It raises an interesting issue of whether they are more interested in the lives of the defenseless or whether they are more interested in punishing people who have sex.
 
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: bthorny
I predict the baby killer shouters won't come near this one.......crickets
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It raises an interesting issue of whether they are more interested in the lives of the defenseless or whether they are more interested in punishing people who have sex.
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agreed
 
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charrison

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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: cquark
Should doctors have been permitted to remove a 16-year old fetus from a teenage boy? You don't get much later term than this. From http://www.thedailystar.net/2005/06/26/d5062601107.htm
Doctors at the Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujib Medical University (BSMMU) yesterday operated on the boy named Abu Raihan and found a foetus-in-foeto--the term for such unborn foetus--weighing 1.5 kilograms.

The foetus was found with grown up hair, legs and the genital although the development of the head and brain was very little. It also had two teeth and two slightly developed hands.

It is a matter of surprise how a boy could carry a living "child" in his body without any uterus! "We were prepared for such a surprise," said Prof MA Majid of the surgery department. "Medical science says it is possible but this is the first such case in my professional life," said the former head of the surgery department of Dhaka Medical College Hospital.
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Biology definitely doesn't respect human social constructs of separate individuals.
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We'll, seems pretty cut and dry. To the pro life crowd this is murder. to the pro-choice crowd this was a common sense abortion. Very odd though. I'm a little suspect of the source though, since I've never heard of it and I havent heard of this from any other sources.
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This is in now way an abortion. This is along the lines of problems encountered with siamese twins. When seperated both do not always live.
 
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Infohawk

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Originally posted by: charrison
This is in now way an abortion. This is along the lines of problems encountered with siamese twins. When seperated both do not always live.
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Raises the same issues though... (see above posts)
 
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imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: cquark
Should doctors have been permitted to remove a 16-year old fetus from a teenage boy? You don't get much later term than this. From http://www.thedailystar.net/2005/06/26/d5062601107.htm
Doctors at the Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujib Medical University (BSMMU) yesterday operated on the boy named Abu Raihan and found a foetus-in-foeto--the term for such unborn foetus--weighing 1.5 kilograms.

The foetus was found with grown up hair, legs and the genital although the development of the head and brain was very little. It also had two teeth and two slightly developed hands.

It is a matter of surprise how a boy could carry a living "child" in his body without any uterus! "We were prepared for such a surprise," said Prof MA Majid of the surgery department. "Medical science says it is possible but this is the first such case in my professional life," said the former head of the surgery department of Dhaka Medical College Hospital.
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Biology definitely doesn't respect human social constructs of separate individuals.
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We'll, seems pretty cut and dry. To the pro life crowd this is murder. to the pro-choice crowd this was a common sense abortion. Very odd though. I'm a little suspect of the source though, since I've never heard of it and I havent heard of this from any other sources.
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This is in now way an abortion. This is along the lines of problems encountered with siamese twins. When seperated both do not always live.
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But your still killing a human life, which goes counter to the pro life view. How can you say it in any other way. They killed this fetues when they removed it. The pro-life view says it is NEVER right to kill a living human... even when it could save the life of the mother... so how is it any differnt here. They killed the fetus even though it saved the life of the brother. Is a fetus only a human when its in the mother? After that its fair game?

Allthough, I do find this whole story, strongly suspect.
 
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