Should the US defend Taiwan against China?

[positivedoppler]

China warns Taiwan independence 'means war' as US pledges support

The warning comes days after China stepped up military activities near the self-governed island.

www.bbc.com

It looks like China is testing the new administration. China is now the number 2 source of immigration into the United States behind Mexico. Also, given the high number Chinese nationals from China currently enrolled in many of the California Universities, I wonder if public support have become more friendly towards China at the expense of Taiwan. Of course, if you still believe that the US should defend Taiwan from China in the event of War, do you think TSMC should just stop selling to China(Full Stop) so the technology Taiwan sales to China don't end up getting pointed towards us when we have to defend them. Thoughts?

 

[hal2kilo]

Yes. Otherwise, we've set them up, just so capitalists in this country could make money doing business with the mainland.

 

[kage69]

Of course we should. We're also legally obligated to.

Standing with our ally Taiwan is how we preserve the post WW2 world order. What Trump's embrace of fascism and alienating/abandoning allies did to us, throwing Taiwan to the CCP wolves would finish.

America has stood up to and defeated aggressive fascism before, and I expect we'll have to again. China has been preparing for war for years and I have yet to see them change course.

 

[sportage]

If Biden dare get involved with war outside of the US being directly attacked, it will be the end of Biden. The one thing people did like about Donald Trump was that Trump was no Warhawk. I would hope that Biden follow the will of the people and not the Warhawks. The military leadership within the pentagon would suck Biden in and bury any chance of Biden becoming a great president. The day Biden sells his soul to the military agenda is the day when the Biden administration dies. America can not afford for QAnon to take over the country through a second coming of Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Video Cards and other computer components must not be allowed to become any more expensive!

Fight we shall, if fight we must!

 

[mect]

The US should be part of an international coalition to defend Taiwan if China starts to escalate their agression towards them. We shouldn't be involved in colonialism and expansionism, we should be involved in protecting allies that ask for our help.

 

[BoomerD]

Hell no. We didn't defend Taiwan against the Chinese when they took over the island following WWII, We didn't defend the Taiwanese nationals during the unrest that led up to the "228 incident," why should we get involved now?

 

[positivedoppler]

If Biden dare get involved with war outside of the US being directly attacked, it will be the end of Biden. The one thing people did like about Donald Trump was that Trump was no Warhawk. I would hope that Biden follow the will of the people and not the Warhawks. The military leadership within the pentagon would suck Biden in and bury any chance of Biden becoming a great president. The day Biden sells his soul to the military agenda is the day when the Biden administration dies. America can not afford for QAnon to take over the country through a second coming of Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene.

So no the US should not get involved? Keep in mind that would hand over TSMC to China and pretty guarantee China's technological superiority into the distant future.

 

[Ajay]

Of course we should. We're also legally obligated to.

No, we are only required to provide the means for Taiwan to defend itself (and, for a cost, IIRC). We don't have a formal alliance with them.

Secondly, we can't protect Taiwan against China. The Chinese military would take control of the island too quickly for us to respond. Just look at the proximity of the two states. We don't have sufficient force in place. We could move in naval vessels in the area and fighter jets from Japan and S. Korea - but that would be a de-facto declaration of war between the US and China; not between Taiwan and China. Most of China's continual demonstrations of force toward Taiwan are meant to alter popular sentiment in Taiwan out of fear. This is yet another example of that clumsy 'military' diplomacy. It will again, fail. At this point, and as long as the US remains the dominate world power, China will not risk an all out war.

 

[hal2kilo]

No, we are only required to provide the means for Taiwan to defend itself (and, for a cost, IIRC). We don't have a formal alliance with them.

Secondly, we can't protect Taiwan against China. The Chinese military would take control of the island too quickly for us to respond. Just look at the proximity of the two states. We don't have sufficient force in place. We could move in naval vessels in the area and fighter jets from Japan and S. Korea - but that would be a de-facto declaration of war between the US and China; not between Taiwan and China. Most of China's continual demonstrations of force toward Taiwan are meant to alter popular sentiment in Taiwan out of fear. This is yet another example of that clumsy 'military' diplomacy. It will again, fail. At this point, and as long as the US remains the dominate world power, China will not risk an all out war.

BT (Before Trump) I would agree with you.

 

[pauldun170]

Hell no. We didn't defend Taiwan against the Chinese when they took over the island following WWII, We didn't defend the Taiwanese nationals during the unrest that led up to the "228 incident," why should we get involved now?

From what I gather, American's already decided that American lives aren't that important and what the real priority should be is getting that sweet war porn on youtube.
Plus, Veterans are boring unless they can share those sweet war stories. Otherwise it's a whole lot of "Blah blah stationed in Germany then I was stationed in South Korea then was back in the States and and then blah de fucking blah Married, cheated on then divorced..."

Didn't ask for where you got Refrigerator magnets bro

 

[Leeea]

Yes.

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company. All others have fallen behind.

This is the information age. AI, computing, information transfer rule the day with absolute power.

We cannot even build cars anymore without TSMC ( https://www.reuters.com/article/tsm...armakers-wrestle-with-shortages-idUSL1N2K3031 )

If China gets its hands on TSMC we can all just bow down and grovel before the all powerful Winnie the Pooh begging for our lives. Forget freedom, democracy, or any nice luxuries like that. Pooh will have the power to decide who lives and who dies. The same Pooh who is conducting a mass genocide of non-Chinese already: ( https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/chi...-minorities-amount-genocide/story?id=71519132 ).


If there is a war we have to fight it, we have to win it, regardless of the cost. Nukes on the table, end of the world time if that is what it takes. You and your children's personal survival is 100% on the line. Unless your Han Chinese.

 

[BoomerD]

Yes.

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company. All others have fallen behind.

This is the information age. AI, computing, information transfer rule the day with absolute power.

We cannot even build cars anymore without TSMC ( https://www.reuters.com/article/tsm...armakers-wrestle-with-shortages-idUSL1N2K3031 )

If China gets its hands on TSMC we can all just bow down and grovel before the all powerful Winnie the Pooh begging for our lives. Forget freedom, democracy, or any nice luxuries like that. Pooh will have the power to decide who lives and who dies. The same Pooh who is conducting a mass genocide of non-Chinese already: ( https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/chi...-minorities-amount-genocide/story?id=71519132 ).


If there is a war we have to fight it, we have to win it, regardless of the cost. Nukes on the table, end of the world time if that is what it takes.

Wouldn't it just be easier/cheaper to nuke the TSMC to keep it from falling into enemy hands?

 

[Ajay]

Wouldn't it just be easier/cheaper to nuke the TSMC to keep it from falling into enemy hands?

I lolled, assuming you are not a sick fuck.

 

[Ajay]

BT (Before Trump) I would agree with you.

Would you please explain?

 

[IronWing]

We should split Taiwan with China. We get TSMC and China gets the rest. Where's Ribbentrop when you need him?

 

[pauldun170]

Wouldn't it just be easier/cheaper to nuke the TSMC to keep it from falling into enemy hands?

Wouldn't it be more advantages to just let all those sweet Taiwanese refugees set up shop at the newly expanded TSMC foundry in Texas.
Steal all the talent.
Let China keep the dirt.

 

[zzyzxroad]

China warns Taiwan independence 'means war' as US pledges support

The warning comes days after China stepped up military activities near the self-governed island.

www.bbc.com

It looks like China is testing the new administration. China is now the number 2 source of immigration into the United States behind Mexico. Also, given the high number Chinese nationals from China currently enrolled in many of the California Universities, I wonder if public support have become more friendly towards China at the expense of Taiwan. Of course, if you still believe that the US should defend Taiwan from China in the event of War, do you think TSMC should just stop selling to China(Full Stop) so the technology Taiwan sales to China don't end up getting pointed towards us when we have to defend them. Thoughts?

TSMC would go bankrupt in that scenario. They are not selling to China they are selling chips into china for assembly. This whole situation is bad news.

 

[Ajay]

Wouldn't it be more advantages to just let all those sweet Taiwanese refugees set up shop at the newly expanded TSMC foundry in Texas.
Steal all the talent.
Let China keep the dirt.

How's Texas feeling about, say, 2 million yellow people immigrating?

 

[zzyzxroad]

Yes.

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company. All others have fallen behind.

This is the information age. AI, computing, information transfer rule the day with absolute power.

We cannot even build cars anymore without TSMC ( https://www.reuters.com/article/tsm...armakers-wrestle-with-shortages-idUSL1N2K3031 )

If China gets its hands on TSMC we can all just bow down and grovel before the all powerful Winnie the Pooh begging for our lives. Forget freedom, democracy, or any nice luxuries like that. Pooh will have the power to decide who lives and who dies. The same Pooh who is conducting a mass genocide of non-Chinese already: ( https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/chi...-minorities-amount-genocide/story?id=71519132 ).


If there is a war we have to fight it, we have to win it, regardless of the cost. Nukes on the table, end of the world time if that is what it takes. You and your children's personal survival is 100% on the line. Unless your Han Chinese.

Well TSMC is far from deign this on their own. Much of the R&D is done buy their partners like NVIDIA and Apple.

TSCM is far from controlling the semiconductor industry.

Top 10 Largest Semiconductor Companies in the World by Revenue 2020, Semiconductor Industry Factsheet

A complete ranking of the top 10 largest semiconductor companies in the world in 2020 by revenue. Samsung, Intel, Nvidia, see where these top semiconductor companies rank in 2020.

blog.bizvibe.com

 

[Leeea]

Wouldn't it just be easier/cheaper to nuke the TSMC to keep it from falling into enemy hands?

It is not the facilities that are valuable, but the people.

Destroying the physical buildings and manufactories of TSMC would drive the real value, human talent and proficiency, right to China.

We should split Taiwan with China. We get TSMC and China gets the rest. Where's Ribbentrop when you need him?

It is the people that are the real value, and you cannot just turn them into slaves.

Wouldn't it be more advantages to just let all those sweet Taiwanese refugees set up shop at the newly expanded TSMC foundry in Texas.
Steal all the talent.

I am sorry, after Trump nobody wants to immigrate to the racist and cruel USA anymore.

TSMC would go bankrupt in that scenario. They are not selling to China they are selling chips into china for assembly. This whole situation is bad news.

It is ugly, but the chip assembly is also done on large scale in Malaysia, Thailand, and Vietnam.

 

[UNCjigga]

At what point should we just exfiltrate the entire island (population + all industries) and resettle them in Puerto Rico? Would be a shorter trip to COMPUTEX every year.

 

[zzyzxroad]

It is ugly, but the chip assembly is also done on large scale in Malaysia, Thailand, and Vietnam.

I have worked in the field for 20 yeas and have been to those factories. There is no cutting China out.
Like I said this is bad news all around.

 

[Leeea]

I have worked in the field for 20 yeas and have been to those factories. There is no cutting China out.

We have to, war with China is inevitable now. They are going to push again in the next decade. Taiwan or Russia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Manchuria , https://tfipost.com/2020/07/this-is...russias-vladivostok-as-part-of-its-territory/ ) most likely.

It will be done through escalating tariffs. The Trump tariffs are not going away, but rather will continue to be increased. Nobody is able to coexist with expansionist racists with genocidal tendencies long term.

 

[pauldun170]

How's Texas feeling about, say, 2 million yellow people immigrating?

As long as they come with guns and learn to love Football they should be ok.