Should the names of the AIG bonus receivers be made public ?

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Deeko


You legally cannot do your 10 cents on the dollar nonsense. The employee could sue for the other 90%, and would win. As long as the company exists, the company must pay its employees as their contracts are written. Period. I don't know why you think there is a way around that.

LOL. Sue a beggar and get a louse. In case you haven't noticed, the mighty AIG has been reduced to being nothing but a beggar in this pony show.

If they had the money to pay the bonuses, obviously they would have still had it, had they been sued.

They only had the money because of the taxpayers. That's the whole point which you try to ignore and oinstead threaten to sue.

That tells what what kind of human being you REALLY are more then anything else.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Here let me help AIG out . A hidden name .

Joseph Cassano.

http://voices.washingtonpost.c...he_man_who_brough.html

He hasn't been with the company for over a year. What in the hell does that have to do with this thread?

You want to rephraze that.

Joe Cassano, the man who some credit with bringing down the insurance giant.
Joey introduce AIG to derivatives. check it out.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

They only had the money because of the taxpayers. That's the whole point which you try to ignore and oinstead threaten to sue.

That tells what what kind of human being you REALLY are more then anything else.

Why is it so hard to understand that it doesn't matter how they got the money? AIG can't circumvent corporate law to fit your little hissy fit. If they have the money to pay employees, they MUST pay employees.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Absolutely not, there is no way in hell anyone should even consider making these names public. Anyone that thinks the answer is yes is wrong. There is no other option, there is no disagreeing with that. I am appalled that 35 people voted yes in this poll. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

LOL, what's the matter, can't you handle the truth? Worried about some bitter guy who worked hard all his life and everything he had has been destroyed by crooks getting vengance?

I find that amusing as hell and it only makes me want full disclousure even more.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: JD50
Obviously these people should be forced to work for free.

Actually they should have all their previous bonuses taken away too.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

I already stated I think they should publish the names of anybody who's getting taxpayers subsidzed bonuses.

So I guess the best thing I can do is call my congressmen and tell them to support that 90% tax on bonuses they're working on. That weill leave them with the 10% bonus I talked about earlier, which is still more then they deserve.

Why? So those people can receive death threats, maybe even physical attacks? You DO understand that the people that caused this mess have been fired, right? The employees that were retained and received bonus were not the cause of AIG's failure. They aren't all CEOs and VPs. Why should the average employee, whos only crime was to be employed a company you don't like, have to go through that? Again - I already know you support it - I'm asking you how that is possibly legal or ethical.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

They only had the money because of the taxpayers. That's the whole point which you try to ignore and oinstead threaten to sue.

That tells what what kind of human being you REALLY are more then anything else.

Why is it so hard to understand that it doesn't matter how they got the money? AIG can't circumvent corporate law to fit your little hissy fit. If they have the money to pay employees, they MUST pay employees.

So then we wioll tax it back from them and while were at it we get the bonus money back from people that might actually have earned it. Too bad, so sad.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Deeko
Absolutely not, there is no way in hell anyone should even consider making these names public. Anyone that thinks the answer is yes is wrong. There is no other option, there is no disagreeing with that. I am appalled that 35 people voted yes in this poll. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

LOL, what's the matter, can't you handle the truth? Worried about some bitter guy who worked hard all his life and everything he had has been destroyed by crooks getting vengance?

I find that amusing as hell and it only makes me want full disclousure even more.

.....what? Did you just go up and quote my first post, after we've been discussing this all morning? What the hell are you rambling about? The more I shoot down your incorrect, ILLEGAL ideas, the more incoherent you get.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

They only had the money because of the taxpayers. That's the whole point which you try to ignore and oinstead threaten to sue.

That tells what what kind of human being you REALLY are more then anything else.

Why is it so hard to understand that it doesn't matter how they got the money? AIG can't circumvent corporate law to fit your little hissy fit. If they have the money to pay employees, they MUST pay employees.

So then we wioll tax it back from them and while were at it we get the bonus money back from people that might actually have earned it. Too bad, so sad.

Case in point. You make my argument for me.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

I already stated I think they should publish the names of anybody who's getting taxpayers subsidzed bonuses.

So I guess the best thing I can do is call my congressmen and tell them to support that 90% tax on bonuses they're working on. That weill leave them with the 10% bonus I talked about earlier, which is still more then they deserve.

Why? So those people can receive death threats, maybe even physical attacks? You DO understand that the people that caused this mess have been fired, right? The employees that were retained and received bonus were not the cause of AIG's failure. They aren't all CEOs and VPs. Why should the average employee, whos only crime was to be employed a company you don't like, have to go through that? Again - I already know you support it - I'm asking you how that is possibly legal or ethical.

Ethics? You want the taxpayer to pay bonuses for a failed company and you bring ethics up in your defense?? Please....

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I say fuck corporate welfare. If they live by the sword then they can die by the sword.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

They only had the money because of the taxpayers. That's the whole point which you try to ignore and oinstead threaten to sue.

That tells what what kind of human being you REALLY are more then anything else.

Why is it so hard to understand that it doesn't matter how they got the money? AIG can't circumvent corporate law to fit your little hissy fit. If they have the money to pay employees, they MUST pay employees.

So then we wioll tax it back from them and while were at it we get the bonus money back from people that might actually have earned it. Too bad, so sad.

Case in point. You make my argument for me.

In you imagination maybe. See my post above this:

If they live by the sword then they can die by the sword.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

I already stated I think they should publish the names of anybody who's getting taxpayers subsidzed bonuses.

So I guess the best thing I can do is call my congressmen and tell them to support that 90% tax on bonuses they're working on. That weill leave them with the 10% bonus I talked about earlier, which is still more then they deserve.

Why? So those people can receive death threats, maybe even physical attacks? You DO understand that the people that caused this mess have been fired, right? The employees that were retained and received bonus were not the cause of AIG's failure. They aren't all CEOs and VPs. Why should the average employee, whos only crime was to be employed a company you don't like, have to go through that? Again - I already know you support it - I'm asking you how that is possibly legal or ethical.

Ethics? You want the taxpayer to pay bonuses for a failed company and you bring ethics up in your defense?? Please....

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I say fuck corporate welfare. If they live by the sword then they can die by the sword.

No - I think the company should not have been bailed out at all, and thusly left to fail on its own. And when the company was liquefied, employees would be paid first, followed by creditors.

However, the company WAS bailed out. And since it was, they still have to follow all applicable corporate/civil laws - such as paying employees as contracts state.

Again. Its simple, and it the law. You can post all these cute little smilies and try to make jabs at me, but you're still failing to make any reasonable points here. And still, none of this even comes CLOSE to making a case for releasing the names of the employees that received bonuses. I love repeating myself....the people that caused this mess are gone. The retained employees that are receiving bonuses were not the cause. So releasing their names and causing them all of those issues is quite clearly not a solution to anything.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

I already stated I think they should publish the names of anybody who's getting taxpayers subsidzed bonuses.

So I guess the best thing I can do is call my congressmen and tell them to support that 90% tax on bonuses they're working on. That weill leave them with the 10% bonus I talked about earlier, which is still more then they deserve.

Why? So those people can receive death threats, maybe even physical attacks? You DO understand that the people that caused this mess have been fired, right? The employees that were retained and received bonus were not the cause of AIG's failure. They aren't all CEOs and VPs. Why should the average employee, whos only crime was to be employed a company you don't like, have to go through that? Again - I already know you support it - I'm asking you how that is possibly legal or ethical.

Ethics? You want the taxpayer to pay bonuses for a failed company and you bring ethics up in your defense?? Please....

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I say fuck corporate welfare. If they live by the sword then they can die by the sword.

No - I think the company should not have been bailed out at all, and thusly left to fail on its own. And when the company was liquefied, employees would be paid first, followed by creditors.

However, the company WAS bailed out. And since it was, they still have to follow all applicable corporate/civil laws - such as paying employees as contracts state.

Again. Its simple, and it the law. You can post all these cute little smilies and try to make jabs at me, but you're still failing to make any reasonable points here.

And as I said, now we can tax them and get some other people snared in the web as well. Too bad, so sad, but why the fuck should I give shit about a bunch of overpaid whiners anyway??

 

[Deeko]

Its obvious that I'm dealing with a 12 year old with no knowledge of corporate America or of the laws that run this country, so I'm not going to waste my Saturday repeating myself over and over again. Get back to me in 10 or 15 years when you know what you're talking about.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
And as I said, now we can tax them and get some other people snared in the web as well. Too bad, so sad, but why the fuck should I give shit about a bunch of overpaid whiners anyway??

That "whining" as you put it, is instead self defense against attack. As for why you should care, you'll find out when tax revenue drops and the economy sinks even further.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Its obvious that I'm dealing with a 12 year old with no knowledge of corporate America or of the laws that run this country, so I'm not going to waste my Saturday repeating myself over and over again. Get back to me in 10 or 15 years when you know what you're talking about.

Good, I'm glad you got tired of trying to tell me what I should think. I may not know a lot about "corporate america" but I know the essentials, that it is greedy and crooked as hell. Should I know more the that?

Publish their names and how much their bonuses are.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: senseamp
It's not stupid. If you reward people who are responsible for wasting those trillions of dollars, you encourage this to happen again. These people should be in jail, not getting bonuses.

I'm getting a bonus from my company at the end of the month. If the executives made poor decisions and the company was going to go bankrupt, and the government made a decision to bail them out, should I have my bonus revoked and my address made public? Keep in mind I signed this agreement a year ago. and had nothing to do with said decision.

As per my previous post - if your answer is yes, you have serious mental health issues and should seek immediate medical care.

Bonus is reward for company's performance. There is no entitlement to a bonus. AIG lost tens of billions of dollars, so there is no bonus this time. If you want to saddle the taxpayers with a bill for your bonus, they should know who you are.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
And as I said, now we can tax them and get some other people snared in the web as well. Too bad, so sad, but why the fuck should I give shit about a bunch of overpaid whiners anyway??

That "whining" as you put it, is instead self defense against attack. As for why you should care, you'll find out when tax revenue drops and the economy sinks even further.

The way I see it is that we the public were attacked, even blindsided by corporate america. I really don't care what happens to the economy if they continue to loot the treasury with no common sense attached.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Right here Look how long this ass wipe worked for AIG , He is being investigated for fraud if found guility all his money comes back to us (goverbnment. All those involved will have to repay stolen $$$ . 8 years he worked at aig

http://www.workerscompinsider.com/archives/000948.html

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
AIG has said it is giving the name of the bonus receivers to the authorities. AIG has received hundreds of death threats, so would releasing the names to the public make those people targets ? Or should the names be withheld ?

I'm thinking withhold the names unless we are willing to provide protection for them. As angry as people are it would be like throwing them to the wolves, even if they might deserve it.

So you just want to protect the po' little rich people?? Hell!! Post their names and let them share in the wrack and ruin they caused.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Deeko
Absolutely not, there is no way in hell anyone should even consider making these names public. Anyone that thinks the answer is yes is wrong. There is no other option, there is no disagreeing with that. I am appalled that 35 people voted yes in this poll. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

LOL, what's the matter, can't you handle the truth? Worried about some bitter guy who worked hard all his life and everything he had has been destroyed by crooks getting vengance?

I find that amusing as hell and it only makes me want full disclousure even more.

.....what? Did you just go up and quote my first post, after we've been discussing this all morning? What the hell are you rambling about? The more I shoot down your incorrect, ILLEGAL ideas, the more incoherent you get.

Who the hell you shooting down. You said Joey worked at AIG less than a year. You really no nothing about what happened . If you don't know what joey did in 8 years with AIG you no nothing about any of this. To dismiss others guilt is unreasonable. If they were qualified to do there work . They should have seen whats going on . Guilty as hell they all are in that financial unit. EVERY SINGLE ONE. The laws says ignorance of law is not acceptable defense. FACT. If they didn't know what was going on . They were not qualified for there position to start with. From the looks of it this is likely what happened. Good grades in school made big bucks . But destoyed life of millions because it was a scheme. That not genius its criminal. I to want names . Somebody will get them. Rightly so . Joey is a good place to start .

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JD50
Obviously these people should be forced to work for free.

Actually they should have all their previous bonuses taken away too.

That's pretty stupid, and it highlights how ridiculous the rest of your argument is too. Fern had a great post about this and Deeko is doing a really good job explaining it as well. You're trying incredibly hard to ignore common sense here.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

I already stated I think they should publish the names of anybody who's getting taxpayers subsidzed bonuses.

So I guess the best thing I can do is call my congressmen and tell them to support that 90% tax on bonuses they're working on. That weill leave them with the 10% bonus I talked about earlier, which is still more then they deserve.

Why? So those people can receive death threats, maybe even physical attacks? You DO understand that the people that caused this mess have been fired, right? The employees that were retained and received bonus were not the cause of AIG's failure. They aren't all CEOs and VPs. Why should the average employee, whos only crime was to be employed a company you don't like, have to go through that? Again - I already know you support it - I'm asking you how that is possibly legal or ethical.

Ethics? You want the taxpayer to pay bonuses for a failed company and you bring ethics up in your defense?? Please....

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I say fuck corporate welfare. If they live by the sword then they can die by the sword.

No - I think the company should not have been bailed out at all, and thusly left to fail on its own. And when the company was liquefied, employees would be paid first, followed by creditors.

However, the company WAS bailed out. And since it was, they still have to follow all applicable corporate/civil laws - such as paying employees as contracts state.

Again. Its simple, and it the law. You can post all these cute little smilies and try to make jabs at me, but you're still failing to make any reasonable points here. And still, none of this even comes CLOSE to making a case for releasing the names of the employees that received bonuses. I love repeating myself....the people that caused this mess are gone. The retained employees that are receiving bonuses were not the cause. So releasing their names and causing them all of those issues is quite clearly not a solution to anything.

Good post. I also disagreed with the bailouts, but it is what it is, if people want to get mad at someone, get mad at the idiots that approved this thing in the first place, not the people just trying to get paid for the work that they did.

 

[wetech]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Deeko
Absolutely not, there is no way in hell anyone should even consider making these names public. Anyone that thinks the answer is yes is wrong. There is no other option, there is no disagreeing with that. I am appalled that 35 people voted yes in this poll. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

LOL, what's the matter, can't you handle the truth? Worried about some bitter guy who worked hard all his life and everything he had has been destroyed by crooks getting vengance?

I find that amusing as hell and it only makes me want full disclousure even more.

.....what? Did you just go up and quote my first post, after we've been discussing this all morning? What the hell are you rambling about? The more I shoot down your incorrect, ILLEGAL ideas, the more incoherent you get.

Who the hell you shooting down. You said Joey worked at AIG less than a year. You really no nothing about what happened . If you don't know what joey did in 8 years with AIG you no nothing about any of this. To dismiss others guilt is unreasonable. If they were qualified to do there work . They should have seen whats going on . Guilty as hell they all are in that financial unit. EVERY SINGLE ONE. The laws says ignorance of law is not acceptable defense. FACT. If they didn't know what was going on . They were not qualified for there position to start with. From the looks of it this is likely what happened. Good grades in school made big bucks . But destoyed life of millions because it was a scheme. That not genius its criminal. I to want names . Somebody will get them. Rightly so . Joey is a good place to start .

wow... you really can't read.

Originally posted by: Deeko

He hasn't been with the company for over a year. What in the hell does that have to do with this thread?

as in, was fired a year ago... did not receive any of this $165mm.

 

[Carmen813]

Let's see, we public the salaries of everyone else who receives tax payer dollars, so yah, I think we can safely post AIGs executives names. With all that money they received they can afford to hire private security experts.