I really do not see why they do not. It is such a huge industry and noone really knows what they hell they are taking.
Should the FDA regulate muscle enhancers etc?
- Thread starter CatKillaZ
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I would be in favor of them regulating protein powders, etc...
I eat a lot of optimum nutrition whey, and it would be nice to know for sure what all is in it. (Even if the cost went up a little)
I eat a lot of optimum nutrition whey, and it would be nice to know for sure what all is in it. (Even if the cost went up a little)
there has to be some regulations on what they put in the nutrition facts in that box, its a national standard...?
Supplements aren't regulated by the FDA. They can put whatever they want on the label until someone calls them out on it and an investigation is done.
I'm not so sure I trust the FDA either. Just because a drug is "FDA approved" doesn't make it safe. I'll bet there's a fair amount of lobbying that goes on behind the scenes to get new drugs "FDA approved".
You can always go to PubMed and see if any peer-reviewed studies exist for any supplement you are considering. Plain creatine monohydrate actually has a ton of research demonstrating it to be safe in otherwise healthy individuals, despite all the hype and bad press it generates. Tribulus Terrestrius is a supplement that gets pushed hard on a lot of bodybuilding boards as a testosterone booster. I did a search and found 3 studies demonstrating that it had exactly 0 effect on androgen levels in healthy males.
Another scary thing is that the majority of these supplements have no studies on long term effects, due to how new they are.
Most of them are overpriced crap and don't help you anyway. My safe picks include:
multivitamins
fish oil
creatine monohydrate
protein powder - although I like to count this one as a food
I'm not saying these are the ONLY ones, just the ones that I use regularly and know to have studies demonstrating safety.
God I hate you.
Besides you being an ignorant troll and someone who hates cats, you know nothing about supplements.
1. If you are stupid enough to buy from a non reputable company and try something new yourself you deserve it
2. Many of us on message boards and the like do our own independent testing. We have some guys from BALCO over there who have recently exposed Jungle Warfare etc.
3. Don't be stupid, know your science, read studies, and know the effects of things. Obviously JW contained some type of pro-steroid (6 dehydromethyltestosterone metablolites) because the original testers got gyno, which is not possible from the claimed mATD (anti estrogen).
4. We stick together and don't waste money.
5. The FDA just passed a new law 2 weeks ago. All new supplements are checked for what is on their label and now have to be tested by two independent test companies (i.e. pharm companies in bed with the FDA) to check that the label is in fact accurate. This is already driving up the costs of supplements. Even whey protein, from reputable companies which we know is whey), and the cost is already going up because of China's freak out and the rising cost of dairy.
6. If the FDA regulated supplements like drugs the costs would be astronomical. A 10lb bag of whey would be like 300$ because of the testing and approval that would be required. You need health insurance for a reason.
7. You actually believe the FDA is good? Hell no, just like everything else the highest bidder wins, and in the present and in the past drugs have been available that are dangerous. (heart attack in a bottle anyone).
8. There are long term studies for most of the stuff. That excuse is "so 1995."
9. STFU
Besides you being an ignorant troll and someone who hates cats, you know nothing about supplements.
1. If you are stupid enough to buy from a non reputable company and try something new yourself you deserve it
2. Many of us on message boards and the like do our own independent testing. We have some guys from BALCO over there who have recently exposed Jungle Warfare etc.
3. Don't be stupid, know your science, read studies, and know the effects of things. Obviously JW contained some type of pro-steroid (6 dehydromethyltestosterone metablolites) because the original testers got gyno, which is not possible from the claimed mATD (anti estrogen).
4. We stick together and don't waste money.
5. The FDA just passed a new law 2 weeks ago. All new supplements are checked for what is on their label and now have to be tested by two independent test companies (i.e. pharm companies in bed with the FDA) to check that the label is in fact accurate. This is already driving up the costs of supplements. Even whey protein, from reputable companies which we know is whey), and the cost is already going up because of China's freak out and the rising cost of dairy.
6. If the FDA regulated supplements like drugs the costs would be astronomical. A 10lb bag of whey would be like 300$ because of the testing and approval that would be required. You need health insurance for a reason.
7. You actually believe the FDA is good? Hell no, just like everything else the highest bidder wins, and in the present and in the past drugs have been available that are dangerous. (heart attack in a bottle anyone).
8. There are long term studies for most of the stuff. That excuse is "so 1995."
9. STFU
1. Is GNC a reputable source enough for ya? Because I am sure they do all kinds of research to check out the products they sell < that is sarcasm
2. I dont know who balco is, but I am sure their testing is subpar.
3. Most people don't have the time or knowledge to study the chemistry of what they are taking.
4. Stupid point
5. I did not hear about this law, if prices increase so be it. I would rather pay more and hopefully be safer, than not having stuff fully researched.
6. I have no idea where that cost analysis came from, probably your ass.
7. So if not the FDA, WHO?
8. So they do know how andro/creatine/etc.. will affect us when we are 50 yrs old?
9. Point proven is right you are a fvckin idiot
Then maybe they shouldn't be taking it. Every week we get n00bs who get their hands on one of those PH/legal steroid supplements that managed to slip under the radar. They start taking the stuff, and then start asking questions like "what's PCT?", and even "do I need to eat lots of food for this stuff to work?"
Do your research before you take any new supplement.
I agree with you. I try to as a whole, but when it comes to chemistry, which I have not taken since college, it can get confusing.
I bet only a few percent actually understand fully what they are taking; how it actually affects them at the chemical level.
I bet only a few percent actually understand fully what they are taking; how it actually affects them at the chemical level.
SVT Cobra makes good points. CatKillaZ is a moron.
I wouldn't trust the FDA anyway, they just want money. Stick with proven products and proven companies. There are companies that have reps all over the bodybuilding forums. They have beta testers and get feedback, etc. They have testers that test their blood before and after certain cycles of supplements. If you are too stupid, uninformed, or lazy to find out if what you are taken is safe then tough luck.
I wouldn't trust the FDA anyway, they just want money. Stick with proven products and proven companies. There are companies that have reps all over the bodybuilding forums. They have beta testers and get feedback, etc. They have testers that test their blood before and after certain cycles of supplements. If you are too stupid, uninformed, or lazy to find out if what you are taken is safe then tough luck.
I'm surprised you haven't heard of BALCO, what with Bonds drawing so close to the home run record and all.
I think its funny people here believe they know the effects of what they are taking. Unless you are a chemist, your probably don't. You may know minor details, i.e. I am taking creatine, so I need to drink more water. But that is really minor, compared to other things.
So, instead of the FDA whom are apparently all corrupt, it sounds like. Who should you trust?
So, instead of the FDA whom are apparently all corrupt, it sounds like. Who should you trust?
I can't tell if you are serious or just trolling on these boards from some of your previous posts here...sorry if you are real though and I called you a troll, no offense intended.
You should educate yourself on what you are taking. Any reputable company will post a lot of research and articles behind their product indicating why it works, what is in it, and the possibly side effects. I would also never take a new supplement until it has been testing and shown to be effective with little or no side effects by a testing group. Creatine is a very simple, yet effective supplement. You do realize you get creatine from food right?
No biggie, I may have been doing a little trolling before. I am not arguing that people should not educate themselves on what they are taking. However, I do believe the FDA should look into what is being produced. I feel as though any company in the supplement market, can place whatever they want on their labels. I.e. You see whey protein available everywhere, but to what extent of it is real... Who knows?
I do realize creatine comes from meat, etc.. lol But a lot of people believe if you are taking larger amounts to continue muscle growth, water is needed in larger volumes.
I do realize creatine comes from meat, etc.. lol But a lot of people believe if you are taking larger amounts to continue muscle growth, water is needed in larger volumes.
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