Should the FDA and USDA be able to order a recall of dangerous food?

[techs]

I wonder how people feel about this.
I'm pretty sure at least some people think they already have the power to do this, but as I posted in another thread they DON"T.

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/recall2.html

The headlines are wrong in indicating that the Agency can "order" these recalls. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, (the law) does not generally authorize FDA to "order" a manufacturer to recall a food, cosmetic or supplement. The agency may request a product recall if the firm is not willing to remove dangerous products from the market without FDA's written request. Only when a medical device, human tissue products, and infant formula pose a risk to human health; that the law specifically authorizes FDA to prescribe a recall and to rule on the scope and extent of the same

 

[minendo]

Define "dangerous food." Class I, Class II, Class III recalls? Are all three considered "dangerous?" If not, which ones are?

If a product is potentially the cause of the outbreak is it considered dangerous? What if it was later determined that it was not the cause, but the government ordered the recall? Who will pay for the companies costs in executing the recall and market loss? What if the company were to go bankrupt because of this ordered recall when it was later determined that their product was not the cause?

 

[techs]

Yes, thanks for the bump.

 

[TruePaige]

The FDA/USDA are shitty and keeping our food supply safe.

It's disgusting.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: techs
I wonder how people feel about this.
I'm pretty sure at least some people think they already have the power to do this, but as I posted in another thread they DON"T.

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/recall2.html

The headlines are wrong in indicating that the Agency can "order" these recalls. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, (the law) does not generally authorize FDA to "order" a manufacturer to recall a food, cosmetic or supplement. The agency may request a product recall if the firm is not willing to remove dangerous products from the market without FDA's written request. Only when a medical device, human tissue products, and infant formula pose a risk to human health; that the law specifically authorizes FDA to prescribe a recall and to rule on the scope and extent of the same

Better question; should the FDA & USDA perform sufficient and necessary inspections that would prevent dangerous products getting on the market?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: techs
I wonder how people feel about this.
I'm pretty sure at least some people think they already have the power to do this, but as I posted in another thread they DON"T.

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/recall2.html

The headlines are wrong in indicating that the Agency can "order" these recalls. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, (the law) does not generally authorize FDA to "order" a manufacturer to recall a food, cosmetic or supplement. The agency may request a product recall if the firm is not willing to remove dangerous products from the market without FDA's written request. Only when a medical device, human tissue products, and infant formula pose a risk to human health; that the law specifically authorizes FDA to prescribe a recall and to rule on the scope and extent of the same

Better question; should the FDA & USDA perform sufficient and necessary inspections that would prevent dangerous products getting on the market?

Excellent point. Perhaps a poll on that would be useful.

 

[bamacre]

Even better question, why do you think our corporate-controlled Congress cares?

 

[IamDavid]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: techs
I wonder how people feel about this.
I'm pretty sure at least some people think they already have the power to do this, but as I posted in another thread they DON"T.

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/recall2.html

The headlines are wrong in indicating that the Agency can "order" these recalls. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, (the law) does not generally authorize FDA to "order" a manufacturer to recall a food, cosmetic or supplement. The agency may request a product recall if the firm is not willing to remove dangerous products from the market without FDA's written request. Only when a medical device, human tissue products, and infant formula pose a risk to human health; that the law specifically authorizes FDA to prescribe a recall and to rule on the scope and extent of the same

Better question; should the FDA & USDA perform sufficient and necessary inspections that would prevent dangerous products getting on the market?

Excellent point. Perhaps a poll on that would be useful.

Not a good question at all. Of course everyone will say yes.
The question is, are you willing to pay for a government so big and so entrenched in our lives they could micromanage everything to keep us all safe.... You live in a dream world if you beleive it's possible.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: IamDavid

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: techs
I wonder how people feel about this.
I'm pretty sure at least some people think they already have the power to do this, but as I posted in another thread they DON"T.

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/recall2.html

The headlines are wrong in indicating that the Agency can "order" these recalls. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, (the law) does not generally authorize FDA to "order" a manufacturer to recall a food, cosmetic or supplement. The agency may request a product recall if the firm is not willing to remove dangerous products from the market without FDA's written request. Only when a medical device, human tissue products, and infant formula pose a risk to human health; that the law specifically authorizes FDA to prescribe a recall and to rule on the scope and extent of the same

Better question; should the FDA & USDA perform sufficient and necessary inspections that would prevent dangerous products getting on the market?

Excellent point. Perhaps a poll on that would be useful.

Not a good question at all. Of course everyone will say yes.
The question is, are you willing to pay for a government so big and so entrenched in our lives they could micromanage everything to keep us all safe.... You live in a dream world if you beleive it's possible.

Perhaps he doesn't understand the consequences of the ideas he supports.

The more regulation placed upon food, the higher the cost of food, because regulations cost money, and those costs are just passed on to the consumer. Now, wealthy people spend a much lower percentage of their income on food, and the opposite is true for poorer people. So, his "guilty before proven innocent" regulations do nothing but make the poor poorer, the very people he thinks he is helping.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

The threat of being sued into oblivion would lessen these incidents more than any government inspections. We need to start holding people running these companies personally liable.

 

[0marTheZealot]

[republican] Less government is better! Consumers should know what products are good for them and what products are tainted. We should trust corporations to police themselves. The government is bad. [/republican]

 

[TruePaige]

To add: Remember the company that wanted to test every cow it slaughtered to make sure the meat wasn't contaminated with mad cow?

The FDA stopped them.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
To add: Remember the company that wanted to test every cow it slaughtered to make sure the meat wasn't contaminated with mad cow?

The FDA stopped them.

Ignorance is bliss.

:roll:

You and techs have shown nothing but ignorance regarding the food industry. minendo has provided an informed perspective, but the FUD you zealots keep spouting has clearly hindered your ability to listen.

And seriously, fix the poll.

Yes, there should be a law enabling the government to recall foods.
No, the measures and law currently in place are fine.

Take the BS out of your polls and quit being such a hack. Pathetic.

Oh, and before I go...do either of you want to suggest how such a law will be implemented? Any thoughts on the language of the law? What statutes and codes will also be affected by a new law? What are the consequences of this new law?

But hey...businesses are just big evil meanies that exist solely to harm us! If the ramifications of a new law are not thought out and business viability in the food industry weakens, are you ready for that? Businesses aim for profit. If a new law impacts that, they will make up for it in other areas. Perhaps higher food prices? Potentially.

Can you prove that the current mechanisms aren't sufficient? Can you prove that a law would save more lives?

Seems to me about the only thing you can prove regarding a new law would be an increase in government expenditure and size. I suppose that's acceptable to the both of you. I suppose that's just an unfortunate difference in philosophy.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: TruePaige
To add: Remember the company that wanted to test every cow it slaughtered to make sure the meat wasn't contaminated with mad cow?

The FDA stopped them.

Ignorance is bliss.

:roll:

You and techs have shown nothing but ignorance regarding the food industry. minendo has provided an informed perspective, but the FUD you zealots keep spouting has clearly hindered your ability to listen.

And seriously, fix the poll.

Yes, there should be a law enabling the government to recall foods.
No, the measures and law currently in place are fine.

Take the BS out of your polls and quit being such a hack. Pathetic.

Oh, and before I go...do either of you want to suggest how such a law will be implemented? Any thoughts on the language of the law? What statutes and codes will also be affected by a new law? What are the consequences of this new law?

But hey...businesses are just big evil meanies that exist solely to harm us! If the ramifications of a new law are not thought out and business viability in the food industry weakens, are you ready for that? Businesses aim for profit. If a new law impacts that, they will make up for it in other areas. Perhaps higher food prices? Potentially.

Can you prove that the current mechanisms aren't sufficient? Can you prove that a law would save more lives?

Seems to me about the only thing you can prove regarding a new law would be an increase in government expenditure and size. I suppose that's acceptable to the both of you. I suppose that's just an unfortunate difference in philosophy.

I love how you call that dumb but offer no evidence.

Ever wonder why some countries like Japan are quick to reject our beef?

If a private company wants to test each cow it slaughters and sells, WHY IS IT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS? Why should they be able to stop them?

You are blissfully and willfully ignorant.

P.S. nothing Minendo says has anything to do with what I posted, you should try reading posts before you reply.

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
I love how you call that dumb but offer no evidence.

Ever wonder why some countries like Japan are quick to reject our beef?

If a private company wants to test each cow it slaughters and sells, WHY IS IT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS? Why should they be able to stop them?

You are blissfully and willfully ignorant.

P.S. nothing Minendo says has anything to do with what I posted, you should try reading posts before you reply.

Offer no evidence? I'm thinking critically (and using a wee bit of common sense) about a proposal that has you so excited you're about to pee your pants. Since you are so...passionate about this I would have thought that you considered these points.

What % of our population has died as a result of the FDA/USDA and their "shitty" effort at keeping the food supply safe?

Japan can reject our beef all they want, they can also slaughter whales for food under the guise of research. I don't think Japan is relevant to this discussion. They are a sovereign state that makes their own decisions, for better or worse. We're talking about the U.S. here.

I am, however, ignorant of the company/situation you are referring to. Was the issue taken to the courts? Could you link me an article or give me a name so I can search? Thanks.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: TruePaige
I love how you call that dumb but offer no evidence.

Ever wonder why some countries like Japan are quick to reject our beef?

If a private company wants to test each cow it slaughters and sells, WHY IS IT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS? Why should they be able to stop them?

You are blissfully and willfully ignorant.

P.S. nothing Minendo says has anything to do with what I posted, you should try reading posts before you reply.

Offer no evidence? I'm thinking critically (and using a wee bit of common sense) about a proposal that has you so excited you're about to pee your pants. Since you are so...passionate about this I would have thought that you considered these points.

What % of our population has died as a result of the FDA/USDA and their "shitty" effort at keeping the food supply safe?

Japan can reject our beef all they want, they can also slaughter whales for food under the guise of research. I don't think Japan is relevant to this discussion. They are a sovereign state that makes their own decisions, for better or worse. We're talking about the U.S. here.

I am, however, ignorant of the company/situation you are referring to. Was the issue taken to the courts? Could you link me an article or give me a name so I can search? Thanks.

Hey DUMBASS, I didn't say anything about this proposal.

I simply brought up the kind of shady shit the FDA has done in the past with our BEEF INDUSTRY.

I asked one question.

"If a private company wants to test each cow it slaughters and sells, WHY IS IT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS? Why should they be able to stop them?"

If you can't READ THE DAMN POST I WROTE and reply to that, stop replying to me to make your own agenda.

Here is an article on it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04...nalspecial2/10COW.html

Seriously, I don't mind discussing issues with you, but please in your future posts refrain from putting words in my mouth.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: TruePaige
I love how you call that dumb but offer no evidence.

Ever wonder why some countries like Japan are quick to reject our beef?

If a private company wants to test each cow it slaughters and sells, WHY IS IT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS? Why should they be able to stop them?

You are blissfully and willfully ignorant.

P.S. nothing Minendo says has anything to do with what I posted, you should try reading posts before you reply.

Offer no evidence? I'm thinking critically (and using a wee bit of common sense) about a proposal that has you so excited you're about to pee your pants. Since you are so...passionate about this I would have thought that you considered these points.

What % of our population has died as a result of the FDA/USDA and their "shitty" effort at keeping the food supply safe?

Japan can reject our beef all they want, they can also slaughter whales for food under the guise of research. I don't think Japan is relevant to this discussion. They are a sovereign state that makes their own decisions, for better or worse. We're talking about the U.S. here.

I am, however, ignorant of the company/situation you are referring to. Was the issue taken to the courts? Could you link me an article or give me a name so I can search? Thanks.

Hey DUMBASS, I didn't say anything about this proposal.

I simply brought up the kind of shady shit the FDA has done in the past with our BEEF INDUSTRY..

What shady shit has the FDA done in the past with the US Beef Industry that they have regulation over?

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: TruePaige
I love how you call that dumb but offer no evidence.

Ever wonder why some countries like Japan are quick to reject our beef?

If a private company wants to test each cow it slaughters and sells, WHY IS IT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS? Why should they be able to stop them?

You are blissfully and willfully ignorant.

P.S. nothing Minendo says has anything to do with what I posted, you should try reading posts before you reply.

Offer no evidence? I'm thinking critically (and using a wee bit of common sense) about a proposal that has you so excited you're about to pee your pants. Since you are so...passionate about this I would have thought that you considered these points.

What % of our population has died as a result of the FDA/USDA and their "shitty" effort at keeping the food supply safe?

Japan can reject our beef all they want, they can also slaughter whales for food under the guise of research. I don't think Japan is relevant to this discussion. They are a sovereign state that makes their own decisions, for better or worse. We're talking about the U.S. here.

I am, however, ignorant of the company/situation you are referring to. Was the issue taken to the courts? Could you link me an article or give me a name so I can search? Thanks.

Hey DUMBASS, I didn't say anything about this proposal.

I simply brought up the kind of shady shit the FDA has done in the past with our BEEF INDUSTRY.

I asked one question.

"If a private company wants to test each cow it slaughters and sells, WHY IS IT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS? Why should they be able to stop them?"

If you can't READ THE DAMN POST I WROTE and reply to that, stop replying to me to make your own agenda.

Here is an article on it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04...nalspecial2/10COW.html

Seriously, I don't mind discussing issues with you, but please in your future posts refrain from putting words in my mouth.

You posted

"The FDA/USDA are shitty and keeping our food supply safe.

It's disgusting."

In a thread titled "Should the FDA and USDA be able to order a recall of dangerous food?"

Sorry for making a tremendous leap and assumed you would support the proposal. How did you vote btw?

Oh, and don't flatter yourself. I don't want to put any words in your mouth. Jesus, lose the complex. :roll:

A post on an internet forum, in spite of the fact it may quote an individual, is generally regarded as addressed to the forum as a whole.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: TruePaige
I love how you call that dumb but offer no evidence.

Ever wonder why some countries like Japan are quick to reject our beef?

If a private company wants to test each cow it slaughters and sells, WHY IS IT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS? Why should they be able to stop them?

You are blissfully and willfully ignorant.

P.S. nothing Minendo says has anything to do with what I posted, you should try reading posts before you reply.

Offer no evidence? I'm thinking critically (and using a wee bit of common sense) about a proposal that has you so excited you're about to pee your pants. Since you are so...passionate about this I would have thought that you considered these points.

What % of our population has died as a result of the FDA/USDA and their "shitty" effort at keeping the food supply safe?

Japan can reject our beef all they want, they can also slaughter whales for food under the guise of research. I don't think Japan is relevant to this discussion. They are a sovereign state that makes their own decisions, for better or worse. We're talking about the U.S. here.

I am, however, ignorant of the company/situation you are referring to. Was the issue taken to the courts? Could you link me an article or give me a name so I can search? Thanks.

Hey DUMBASS, I didn't say anything about this proposal.

I simply brought up the kind of shady shit the FDA has done in the past with our BEEF INDUSTRY.

I asked one question.

"If a private company wants to test each cow it slaughters and sells, WHY IS IT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS? Why should they be able to stop them?"

If you can't READ THE DAMN POST I WROTE and reply to that, stop replying to me to make your own agenda.

Here is an article on it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04...nalspecial2/10COW.html

Seriously, I don't mind discussing issues with you, but please in your future posts refrain from putting words in my mouth.

You posted

"The FDA/USDA are shitty and keeping our food supply safe.

It's disgusting."

In a thread titled "Should the FDA and USDA be able to order a recall of dangerous food?"

Sorry for making a tremendous leap and assumed you would support the proposal. How did you vote btw?

Oh, and don't flatter yourself. I don't want to put any words in your mouth. Jesus, lose the complex. :roll:

A post on an internet forum, in spite of the fact it may quote an individual, is generally regarded as addressed to the forum as a whole.

Shut the hell up, you ignorant fool.

You quote all my posts, running off with insults at the cuff, and I back everything I said up with hard evidence where as you make absolutely no point and then tell me to lose the complex?

I'm done with you. Go back to whatever hole you climbed out of.

How did you even manage to turn on a computer and navigate this far?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: techs

Topic Title: Should the FDA and USDA be able to order a recall of dangerous food?

Hell, yes!

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
The threat of being sued into oblivion would lessen these incidents more than any government inspections. We need to start holding people running these companies personally liable.

i thought our court system was already running amok?

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
The threat of being sued into oblivion would lessen these incidents more than any government inspections. We need to start holding people running these companies personally liable.

i thought our court system was already running amok?

In some ways yes, in some ways no....

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
The threat of being sued into oblivion would lessen these incidents more than any government inspections. We need to start holding people OWNING these companies personally liable.

Fixed.

And to the people who scream it will cost money, well, guess what. It will.

And yet what happens to companies that self monitor, self police and rely on their enlightened self interest???

/start sarcasm

Well, companies do a great job! After all they would never knowingly sell a product that would kill and manipulate scientific studies to prove otherwise(tobacco) and they would never knowingly hide their companies losses(Enron) and never use an accounting company that would join them in falsifying records(Arthur Anderson) and never knowingly violate every business principle to bankrupt their corporation(AIG) and never violate the law by price fixing(ADM) and never....well I literally could go on forever.

/end sarcasm

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Shut the hell up, you ignorant fool.

You quote all my posts, running off with insults at the cuff, and I back everything I said up with hard evidence where as you make absolutely no point and then tell me to lose the complex?

I'm done with you. Go back to whatever hole you climbed out of.

How did you even manage to turn on a computer and navigate this far?

Impressive.

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
The threat of being sued into oblivion would lessen these incidents more than any government inspections. We need to start holding people OWNING these companies personally liable.

Fixed.

And to the people who scream it will cost money, well, guess what. It will.

And yet what happens to companies that self monitor, self police and rely on their enlightened self interest???

/start sarcasm

Well, companies do a great job! After all they would never knowingly sell a product that would kill and manipulate scientific studies to prove otherwise(tobacco) and they would never knowingly hide their companies losses(Enron) and never use an accounting company that would join them in falsifying records(Arthur Anderson) and never knowingly violate every business principle to bankrupt their corporation(AIG) and never violate the law by price fixing(ADM) and never....well I literally could go on forever.

/end sarcasm

You're pointing out character flaws, not business flaws. Again, if we are all perfect then none of this is an issue. Can the government police every unsavory character? And if there are some of those types in the government?