What do you think? Would you be happy if we restricted or prevented them from voting? Keep in mind this is theory only, and not about practicality.
Should the far right/Christian right/fanatical right have their right to vote restricted?
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You admit your "they are citizens" argument is bogus, then? You are a citizen at any age -- not just 18...
A minority doesn't agree with a Majority 51% so the majority should have their votes taken away? Talk about voter disenfranchisement......
When did I say this was my opinion?
I was asking a question, not stating I felt this should happen.
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The far Christian right would not be in the battle that they are now if they weren't always butting into everyone else's personal business in a most unChristianlike manner.
But of course no adult citizen in good standing should ever have their right to vote infringed, and I doubt anyone is seriously talking about doing so. As I just posted in another thread, AT is not representative of society, so reading message boards made up mostly of angst-filled teenagers and then thinking that represents the overall opinion of society is just stupid IMO.
Is this the Right's new angle, to trick the Christian Right into believe their freedom of religious expression is under attack? That is not true, yaknow. Quite the opposite in fact, you just took power.
Beware people who would mislead you by fear.
But of course no adult citizen in good standing should ever have their right to vote infringed, and I doubt anyone is seriously talking about doing so. As I just posted in another thread, AT is not representative of society, so reading message boards made up mostly of angst-filled teenagers and then thinking that represents the overall opinion of society is just stupid IMO.
Is this the Right's new angle, to trick the Christian Right into believe their freedom of religious expression is under attack? That is not true, yaknow. Quite the opposite in fact, you just took power.
Beware people who would mislead you by fear.
No. You asked me if we should prevent the far right/Christian right/fanatical right from voting. I told you absolutely not. If you can't vote in the first place, then we can't restrict you from voting.
I would have to agree with Zysoclaplem, whenever you restrict the rights of another american citizen
(lets not drag this one out) you have started the road towards a dictatorship. Either all eligible voters
have the right to vote or none do.
We live in different times than when this country was founded. We have not lived under the oppression
of a monarchy were you could be punished/executed for speaking your mind, practicing your religion
freely (if it differed from the state mandated one).
I am sure some think that is where we are headed and I have some concerns about the direction this
country is headed but we are not there yet. In order to keep this country as great as possible, you must
secure the blessings of liberty and allow all that have achieved the age of voting to be allowed to vote.
Mill - You say why not let 12 year olds vote. As much as there may be some 12 year olds who could cast
a vote more intelligently than some supposed adults, they would not possess the wisdom that only
experience can grant. The voting age is 18 and I personnally see this as an appropriate age.
The problem with people who allow their religion to cloud their minds and not think objectively is a
problem in this country as well as others around the world. I for one think that organized religion is the
actual cause of the problem. I think individual faith is what is most important and coming to terms with
whatever God(s) you believe in what is most important, except in the case of sociopaths who think that
killing in the name of their God is appropriate.
I personnally have no Gods (Aethiest), but I do allow that other people want/need/require some form
of God(s) to pray to. That is their choice, but do not put other men in front of that God and allow those
peoples interpretations to cloud you or your judegment. (Examples: Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, Pastors,
or whatever names they have. When one person starts to have a "hold" over other people and can
influence what they think is appropriate, then that person in my eyes has lost their faith and so have the
people who follow that person blindly.) (Enough ranting).
Freedom does require constant vigilance and I know that a great majority of Americans have not been
excercising their vigilance and I count myself among them. I do not know what it will take to start America
back onto the road we need to travel. But limiting the freedoms of Americans is not the road we need to
take. Taking away the power to vote for even one person who still should have the right is WRONG.
(lets not drag this one out) you have started the road towards a dictatorship. Either all eligible voters
have the right to vote or none do.
We live in different times than when this country was founded. We have not lived under the oppression
of a monarchy were you could be punished/executed for speaking your mind, practicing your religion
freely (if it differed from the state mandated one).
I am sure some think that is where we are headed and I have some concerns about the direction this
country is headed but we are not there yet. In order to keep this country as great as possible, you must
secure the blessings of liberty and allow all that have achieved the age of voting to be allowed to vote.
Mill - You say why not let 12 year olds vote. As much as there may be some 12 year olds who could cast
a vote more intelligently than some supposed adults, they would not possess the wisdom that only
experience can grant. The voting age is 18 and I personnally see this as an appropriate age.
The problem with people who allow their religion to cloud their minds and not think objectively is a
problem in this country as well as others around the world. I for one think that organized religion is the
actual cause of the problem. I think individual faith is what is most important and coming to terms with
whatever God(s) you believe in what is most important, except in the case of sociopaths who think that
killing in the name of their God is appropriate.
I personnally have no Gods (Aethiest), but I do allow that other people want/need/require some form
of God(s) to pray to. That is their choice, but do not put other men in front of that God and allow those
peoples interpretations to cloud you or your judegment. (Examples: Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, Pastors,
or whatever names they have. When one person starts to have a "hold" over other people and can
influence what they think is appropriate, then that person in my eyes has lost their faith and so have the
people who follow that person blindly.) (Enough ranting).
Freedom does require constant vigilance and I know that a great majority of Americans have not been
excercising their vigilance and I count myself among them. I do not know what it will take to start America
back onto the road we need to travel. But limiting the freedoms of Americans is not the road we need to
take. Taking away the power to vote for even one person who still should have the right is WRONG.
I did. I know it's wrong and unfair. I don't care. The question explicitly stated it wasn't about practicality so I said what I would want in an ideal world. You should have to be able to reason and use judgement that wasn't based solely in your interests if you want to vote
attempts at suppression of an Idea usually cause that idea to flourish. youd instantly attract the anti-establishment, which as of right now, are no where near american christianity. Notice how christianity didnt take off until the Roman Empire banned it, once it became illegal, it spread like wildfire.
This is an interesting question, on the order of if you could travel through time would you kill the baby Hitler. I suppose if you would then the answer could be yes. Would you?
I think "could you" would be a better question. Killing Hilter as a child would negate the purpose of going back in time in the first place.
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