Should restaurants ban tipping?

[JEDI]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/16/opinions/opinion-roundup-restaurant-tipping/index.html

Recently, Danny Meyer, founder of Shake Shack chain, announced that his restaurants will do away with tipping. He plans to pay his staff higher wages and pass the cost to customers by raising prices on menus.

Is this a good idea?

 

[Elixer]

Sure, why not.
I don't see people tipping other people that perform some service to them.
It is their job to help/serve people, so, why do they need an extra tip for performing their job?

 

[highland145]

Works for me as long as we know the employees are getting paid. I'd probably still tip some. $7.35 ain't shit.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I don't think they should ban it, but I am against the ones that make it mandatory. Pay them a decent wage that assumes they arn't getting tipped, but still allow people to tip.

 

[QueBert]

Sure, why not.
I don't see people tipping other people that perform some service to them.
It is their job to help/serve people, so, why do they need an extra tip for performing their job?

Prices will go up, you'll be paying the same as if you were to tip. Owners aren't going to take it in the ass, they're going to adjust prices and you'll get the bill for that tip money that the owner no longer allows. This is great for servers, since a lot of fucks are cheap asses who don't tip, or don't tip nearly well enough. People who are against tipping will be even more against no tipping with a price hike.

 

[Imp]

If I have to factor in a mandatory minimum 15% increase into my food bill, why not factor it in for me... <--Oh, yes it is mandatory.

 

[mmntech]

Tipping needs to go back to what it was originally supposed to be; a reward for good service. Not a subsidy for low wages. I've long argued that the restaurant exemption for minimum wage is unfair to other businesses.

Japan seems to get on just fine without tipping. Service is included in the price. Tipping can even be considered rude over there. It's like calling the restaurant owner a cheapskate. Which apparently is an insult in their culture!

 

[zerocool84]

Tipping needs to go back to what it was originally supposed to be; a reward for good service. Not a subsidy for low wages. I've long argued that the restaurant exemption for minimum wage is unfair to other businesses.

Japan seems to get on just fine without tipping. Service is included in the price. Tipping can even be considered rude over there. It's like calling the restaurant owner a cheapskate. Which apparently is an insult in their culture!

The thing is, even in places where they get paid a fair wage you still have to tip. Plus these servers assume they are supposed to get a tip even with shitty service so they are getting rewarded for nothing extra or doing what it is their basic job description. Sorry but if I don't many jobs where if you do what's in your basic job description, you get extra pay.

 

[vshah]

Bar Marco in Pittsburgh did this & it worked out well from them. Service is still excellent.

http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/246972

 

[madoka]

Japan seems to get on just fine without tipping. Service is included in the price. Tipping can even be considered rude over there. It's like calling the restaurant owner a cheapskate. Which apparently is an insult in their culture!

I once left a tip at a restaurant in Asia out of habit. The waitress ran after me down the block thinking I left my money there by accident.

Where I live in California, even the drive-thru people now have tip jars.

 

[MongGrel]

Tipping can vary a lot depending on where you are geographically and even the type of establishment you are in even then.

IE, if I'm in a Mom & Pop type of place for breakfast where I know the servers probably are not getting paid a lot with good service I'll tip a lot higher percentage than at a higher end restaurant with average service.

Florida in general does seem to rely on it for wages to service workers. Some places they make pretty big money.

I never really would at a drive thru personally I guess.

 

[OverVolt]

Nah if it isn't broken don't fix it.

You get to give direct feedback on customer service.

 

[Imp]

I once left a tip at a restaurant in Asia out of habit. The waitress ran after me down the block thinking I left my money there by accident.

Where I live in California, even the drive-thru people now have tip jars.

I once left a Tim Horton's without paying and the cashier ran out the door without being able to tell me that my credit card didn't go through in English because he probably just got off a flight from the Philippines.

FYI: That place had a total POS internet/network connection, and/or their point of sales service was total crap. You had to ask if the credit/debit system was working or not daily.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

under the table money is what keeps the welfare moms afloat... I know, from my own mother's 25 years of being a welfare mom waitress.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/16/opinions/opinion-roundup-restaurant-tipping/index.html

Recently, Danny Meyer, founder of Shake Shack chain, announced that his restaurants will do away with tipping. He plans to pay his staff higher wages and pass the cost to customers by raising prices on menus.

Is this a good idea?

Yes. Quit bitching about tips. Quit bitching about all of that junk. Don't like the price? Walk out ahead of time. Not this bullshit Add 15-25% to your bill indirect bullshit while paying the majority of their paycheck.

This removes the whole "subtle" speak through tip of giving a shitty tip when the service sucks. You might actually have to *gasp* tell the manager how shitty their employee is.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Tipping can vary a lot depending on where you are geographically and even the type of establishment you are in even then.

IE, if I'm in a Mom & Pop type of place for breakfast where I know the servers probably are not getting paid a lot with good service I'll tip a lot higher percentage than at a higher end restaurant with average service.

Florida in general does seem to rely on it for wages to service workers. Some places they make pretty big money.

I never really would at a drive thru personally I guess.

What a big shock, the liberal is uneducated in tipping. Color me surprised.

Regardless of what you do (or don't) tip to someone in a hick town (or what have you, whatever you associate with likely to not get as many tips) - The remainder of the pay period up to the minimum wage must be paid by the employer. Hence, the only money you are saving is the employer's money. Congrats, you helped out the owner of the restaurant, not the waitress,.

Hope you feel better not making a difference.

 

[QueBert]

What a big shock, the liberal is uneducated in tipping. Color me surprised.

Regardless of what you do (or don't) tip to someone in a hick town (or what have you, whatever you associate with likely to not get as many tips) - The remainder of the pay period up to the minimum wage must be paid by the employer. Hence, the only money you are saving is the employer's money. Congrats, you helped out the owner of the restaurant, not the waitress,.

Hope you feel better not making a difference.

I tip well above 15% for good service, as do a lot of my friends. I'm helping out the waitresses because due to me, for the time I'm there they're making well above minimum wage that hour. I had a $70 bill the other night, I tipped 17 bucks. If the place had a no tipping policy and the boss bumped up the severs pay to minimum wage they wouldn't have made as much. So yeah, I did help out the waitress. And I helped out the boss, which in turn keeps him from jacking up the prices so he can afford to give his waitresses minimum wage. If a place has to constantly pay their servers more to cover the shitty tips, they raise the food and drink prices.

I have a niece who works at a restaurant, it's not uncommon for her to make $20-25 an hour due to tips.

 

[MongGrel]

What a big shock, the liberal is uneducated in tipping. Color me surprised.

Regardless of what you do (or don't) tip to someone in a hick town (or what have you, whatever you associate with likely to not get as many tips) - The remainder of the pay period up to the minimum wage must be paid by the employer. Hence, the only money you are saving is the employer's money. Congrats, you helped out the owner of the restaurant, not the waitress,.

Hope you feel better not making a difference.

What the hell are you talking about ?

What a twit.

My grandparents even used to joke about the Canadian snowbirds that came to Florida that were cheap tippers.

You've really read that backwards somehow in your sometimes limited mind.

Clearwater is a long ways from a little hick town.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearwater,_Florida

Ever been on a cruise ship and had to tip multiple people at the end of the cruise ?

I think they've even standardized that these days though then having separate envelopes like they used to have decades ago.

 

[Elixer]

Prices will go up, you'll be paying the same as if you were to tip. Owners aren't going to take it in the ass, they're going to adjust prices and you'll get the bill for that tip money that the owner no longer allows. This is great for servers, since a lot of fucks are cheap asses who don't tip, or don't tip nearly well enough. People who are against tipping will be even more against no tipping with a price hike.

Yeah, and how is this an issue? Money isn't free, and there is either a price hike, or they make the portions smaller, or...

I am just saying it is better to be up front with the cost, and not guilt or force people into giving tips.
I even have seen receipts where the tip is already included, so, the price hike is ALREADY there. It didn't matter if the service was good or not.

Do you know how much fraud goes on, from those that are getting tips?
Almost all don't report 100% of the tips to the IRS.
It is one big mess.

If people still want to tip (for whatever reason), fine, nobody is stopping you.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Shake shack is like burger King. Who the heck is tipping at shake shack?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Tipping needs to go back to what it was originally supposed to be; a reward for good service. Not a subsidy for low wages. I've long argued that the restaurant exemption for minimum wage is unfair to other businesses.

Japan seems to get on just fine without tipping. Service is included in the price. Tipping can even be considered rude over there. It's like calling the restaurant owner a cheapskate. Which apparently is an insult in their culture!

Actually the issue is that it is considered an insult because it is like saying that you are better than the server.

 

[smackababy]

You guys understand the "server minimum wage" is a farce sold by servers to make us feel bad to tip them right? "Oh, I only make $2.50 an hour! I live off tips." Nah, bro. You make the same minimum wage as everyone else, it is just hidden. If, after tips, you don't make minimum wage, the restaurant pays you the difference.

I don't mind tipping, per say, but I don't frequent places with shit service. I also know a lot of people in the service industry (friend's SOs and such) and they constantly bitch about poor tippers and how many assholes that frequent. Not one of them actually considers the idea they may just be bad at their job or a shit head nobody likes.

Actually the issue is that it is considered an insult because it is like saying that you are better than the server.

In countries where tipping is frowned upon, being a server is an actual career not something people with no other skills can do.

 

[JMapleton]

No. A decent waitress at a decent restaurant can easily make $20/hour. If salaried, they would never make that much.

 

[BreadBoy1983]

Tipping shouldnt be banned, its basic etiquette, a Pizza guy or a Waitress isnt gonna live off 8 dollars an hour

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Tipping shouldnt be banned, its basic etiquette, a Pizza guy or a Waitress isnt gonna live off 8 dollars an hour

The problem is when tipping leads to disparate impact on income based on race and gender.

I.E. a black woman who provides the same service at the same restaurant is not tipped as a white man.

Even if unintentional, this means that the person is being compensated at a different rate because of the system of remuneration created by the employer: and this is illegal discrimination.