As long as Nvidia has working drivers by the time Vista shipped on Jan 30th, they didn't lie. The hardware is Vista Ready as they said and the drivers will be Vista Ready when Vista ships. I don't see a point for Nvidia to wait until Vista launched to launch their card since Vista could just be delayed again, forcing Nvidia to either launch as planned or delay, forcing you to create another thread about how Nvidia is a lier since they don't support an unreleased OS.
OK for those that do not understand. From the side of the TV wonder 550 box:
Vista ready
From the bottom of the TV wonder 550 box:
Operating systems
It lists:
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Windows XP (Professional or Home, Service Pack 2)
Windows Vista Ready
It does not say it currently supports Vista, but it is ready to.
Vista ready
From the bottom of the TV wonder 550 box:
Operating systems
It lists:
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Windows XP (Professional or Home, Service Pack 2)
Windows Vista Ready
It does not say it currently supports Vista, but it is ready to.
I was under the impression that Vista business is available through MSDN. So you're saying the sticker should have said "Vista Ready (but not to consumers)"?
TV Wonder 550 drivers have been integrated into Vista since RC1.
http://forums.hexus.net/archive/index.php/t-86241.html
And we all know how good Microsoft integrated drivers are. It says for more than basic functionality you will need to upgrade drivers when vista is released.
I bet you can have basic functionality on the g80 in vista by using a standard vga driver.
Being released to developers and large businesses (ie, Dell) for testing doesn't exactly mean it has been released. Microsoft has an official release date of January 30th and that is the date that Nvidia is working off of as well. It is still not commercially available until January 30th. There would be no point for Nvidia to delay the its release just because a few have access to download Vista through MSDN (how many of them are hardcore gamers that will have a G80 anyway).
Do we really need 3 threads discussing this issue? This thread's title has a vague, "Should Nvidia had launched the G80 when they did" and then only concentrates specifically on the Vista aspects of the G80.
Speaking about the card, the G80, and the impact it's done, no, Nvidia released a card at a fine time IMO. Can you guys imagine if we were still bickering about the GeForce 7 vs. the Radeon X1k or arguing about who has the better guess about DX10 GPU's?
Nelsius, if you only wanted to talk about the Vista support and how that one factor plays into whether or not a product should be launched why not continue your input in one of the already existing threads? Trying to compete with akshayt?
Speaking about the card, the G80, and the impact it's done, no, Nvidia released a card at a fine time IMO. Can you guys imagine if we were still bickering about the GeForce 7 vs. the Radeon X1k or arguing about who has the better guess about DX10 GPU's?
Nelsius, if you only wanted to talk about the Vista support and how that one factor plays into whether or not a product should be launched why not continue your input in one of the already existing threads? Trying to compete with akshayt?
Definetly should not have been delayed. The product was ready for existing hardware and software ... and is easily the new performance champion. Why would NVIDIA not capitalize on months in the top spot because drivers aren't ready for an OS that is known to have a lack of driver support across the board?
This has given NVIDIA a solid lead on the DX10 hardware and once the mid range NVIDIA DX10 parts hit the mainstream they should have Vista drivers ready. Remember, the 8800s aren't the big cash cow for the business. That's still the low end and mid range cards simply due to volume.
This has given NVIDIA a solid lead on the DX10 hardware and once the mid range NVIDIA DX10 parts hit the mainstream they should have Vista drivers ready. Remember, the 8800s aren't the big cash cow for the business. That's still the low end and mid range cards simply due to volume.
People who buy the latest and fastest expect driver bugs. Good thing they buy, as it works out the wrinkles for the rest of us. The only way this will be an issue is if for some weird reason vista performance is poor. Not impossible I suppose, as both companies have a history of promising features in future drivers that end up broken. So if Vista performance is important, wait until its working before you buy. Anyways that is common sense so I don't really expect anyone here to think that way.
There were only two other threads I've seen it mentioned in, and one of those had nothing to do with G80's Vista drivers (instead we dragged the thread off-topic by discussing it).
So in other words, no, I believe this is the first thread actually dedicated to the issue that you and BFG seem to make light of in other threads that weren't regarding it. This should give you and him an official thread to voice such opinions instead of every other thread that has nothing to do with it.
Nelsieus
Lets wait until the retail launch before whining about the lack of drivers.
I dont know many corp users that are using an 8800 series card.
I dont know many corp users that are using an 8800 series card.
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Yes it is and again the sticker doesn't say "Vista ready when Vista is on retail shelves", it says "Vista ready".
Oh sure, now they say it. But that's only after the uproar at nVidia's forums and similar.
In that case I would agree that ATi is false advertising as well.
According to what I've read people have to install a hacked XP driver just to be able to increase resolutions. G80 currently has no driver for Vista, built-in or otherwise.
They are on selfs... seen em selling them at major computer reseller in Australia. But they were Business Vista edition.
My friends that are support technician at companies like Asus have been getting calls about angery business customer not happy about Vista driver support and also claiming that they are doing false advertising. They usally want compenstation... but this could be all avoided if Nvidia's GPU product manager would release that vista is on sales in stores.
Why can't nvidia just release basic drivers for G80's Vista support untill they got offical full featured performance increasing drivers.
My friends that are support technician at companies like Asus have been getting calls about angery business customer not happy about Vista driver support and also claiming that they are doing false advertising. They usally want compenstation... but this could be all avoided if Nvidia's GPU product manager would release that vista is on sales in stores.
Why can't nvidia just release basic drivers for G80's Vista support untill they got offical full featured performance increasing drivers.
And? Two other threads plus this one makes three, like I said.
And one was specifically centered on G80's Vista relationship.
I NEED VISTA DRIVERS FOR NVIDIA 8800GTX :!
Which issue? You claim it's about the G80's launch but only want to concentrate on Vista's launch.
Besides, was this one not "dedicated" or "official" enough?
We were voicing it here originally but you wanted to fade to black only to bring it up in another thread and then make another one yourself.
Seems to me the only one having the issue here are those who can't understand that Vista can be bought now, even if you are a "normal" consumer and DON'T want a coporate version.
That non-corporate, meant-for-home, retail, Vista "Home Premium" version that ships the next day and can be purchased and paired with a G80 by you or I is an example of what I am talking about. It can be done right now, be legit, and still have good reason to demand support.
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drivers will ALWAYS need to wait to "mature"..especially for a totally new DX API...new OS etc..etc..
Also..if its only the drivers which need to mature..no big deal. Its not that you'd lose anything...or NV would lose anything by releasing G80 "too early".
There is never "too early" for a fast graphics card
Also..see it from the other side...i see MS wants to push VIsta and certain games (say: Alan Wake, distributed by MS) which is the first game which neds Vista....and how would it look when an OS is out (with a new API) and games...but the hardware NOT ?
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: flexy
drivers will ALWAYS need to wait to "mature"..especially for a totally new DX API...new OS etc..etc..
Also..if its only the drivers which need to mature..no big deal. Its not that you'd lose anything...or NV would lose anything by releasing G80 "too early".
There is never "too early" for a fast graphics card
Also..see it from the other side...i see MS wants to push VIsta and certain games (say: Alan Wake, distributed by MS) which is the first game which neds Vista....and how would it look when an OS is out (with a new API) and games...but the hardware NOT ?
there are NO Vista drivers for 8800 available [period]
don't you think it would be "reasonable" to - at the very least - release Beta drivers to coincide with the availability of Vista?
unless nvidia is just falling behind
:Q
Maybe that's how YOU perceive it. However, to other people it might not IMPLY the hardware is Vista ready but rather that you can run Vista with the card. I don't personally care since I don't run Vista, but I can understand some people that DID want to run it and were sort of dooped into thinking it could run Vista.
And actually if your comment I quoted above was true all the time, then someone would have questioned NVidia BEFORE the launch of G80 and NVidia could have answered them at THAT time, and there would have probably been an uproar at that time (and possibly reduced sales). In fact I think most people assumed that there WOULD be a Vista driver, considering all their other cards have a Vista driver....only to find out that there won't be until Jan. 30.
apoppin
Lifer
kinda "funny" that nvidia is in ATi's position a few years ago
i can't forget the crappy and non-existant drivers promised by ATi that were never released ... or released way late ... and that was only about 4 years ago.
it's [simply] an nvidia screw-up
it's hard to imagine that nvidia can deliver on *everything* as they should ... they DID bring out a truly amazing piece of HW in the 8800 and i imagine they are strained to the max trying to write good drivers for it.
i can't forget the crappy and non-existant drivers promised by ATi that were never released ... or released way late ... and that was only about 4 years ago.
it's [simply] an nvidia screw-up
it's hard to imagine that nvidia can deliver on *everything* as they should ... they DID bring out a truly amazing piece of HW in the 8800 and i imagine they are strained to the max trying to write good drivers for it.
It's an excuse in that you're saying that people would still be complaining just as much whether or not there was a sticker covering the "Vista Ready" portion of the box.
No, I happen to live in reality. And in reality, if someone purchases a product and then removes a sticker that covers a feature then that's their own problem if they complain about a lack of support for said feature. Because the act of covering a feature would send a pretty clear message that the stickered feature is not supported.
I highly doubt there would be this amount of fuss if Nvidia had covered the "Vista Ready" portion of the 8800 boxes before shipping.
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