Should minimum wage be abolished? Raised?
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Babbles
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You fail at making polls.
I think they should get rid of the minimum wage. People try to use it as some excuse for raising a family. Hell, if they want a 'real' minimum wage that you can raise a family of four on, don't dick around with $7 or $8 or $9 or whatever, just make it $20/hour so people shut up. Which doesn't make financial sense so therefore there is no reason to have a minimum
I think they should get rid of the minimum wage. People try to use it as some excuse for raising a family. Hell, if they want a 'real' minimum wage that you can raise a family of four on, don't dick around with $7 or $8 or $9 or whatever, just make it $20/hour so people shut up. Which doesn't make financial sense so therefore there is no reason to have a minimum
I have no real problem abolishing the minimum wage...for one very good reason. If you don't offer enough as a salary, people won't take the job. Then you'll go out of business, and we'll laugh at you, and start our own versions of you business with more reasonable wages that will actually attract valuable employees and become succesful.
The issue is pretty much self-resolving, given a few years for it to reach homeostasis.
The issue is pretty much self-resolving, given a few years for it to reach homeostasis.
Chaotic42
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My completely non-professional opinion:
Minimum wage is $5.15/hr. Let's say that I make $6/hr. If minimum wage is raised to $6/hr (16.5% increase), prices for goods would increase, but I'd be making miniumum wage. My advantage would be gone and my living comfort would decrease as everything got 16.5% more expensive.
Minimum wage is $5.15/hr. Let's say that I make $6/hr. If minimum wage is raised to $6/hr (16.5% increase), prices for goods would increase, but I'd be making miniumum wage. My advantage would be gone and my living comfort would decrease as everything got 16.5% more expensive.
Babbles
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Pure speculation at best. Most entry jobs now pay over the minimum wage (even if it is just $0.25) as it is, therefore defeating any good that the minimum wage mandate is doing.
If people don't like the salary they are earning then *gasp* they can get a different job. Why should the government force some small business owner (just for an example) to pay a teenager $9.00/hour when the market dictates that $6.00/hour is reasonable? Then that small business owner is going to have to raise prices on all goods to offset the overhead from salary.
WRONG, many people simply wouldn't be able to get another job. If you're only qualified to work in fast food and the like, and all those industries are offering $2/hr, what can you do?
Minimum wage is good as it stands.
I've got no problem with it because some of the people who are working in minimum-wage paying jobs are either people trying to get off the streets, trying to get back on their feet, or teenagers, and all three of those groups need money.
As long as people think that way, then nothing is going to get better anyway. The bottom line of life is that ALL power rests entirely with the people. We choose to be consumers or not, we choose what we'll accept as our compensation for our lifes blood.
It is the responsibility of the people to stand up and take charge of their own lives, it is NOT the province of government to try and do so for us. IF the people form up and agree not to work for $2 an hour, then very VERY quickly the restaraunt would close...because generally speaking business owners will not stay in business unless they are making an OBSCENE profit. Damage that, and they'll flee.
Furthermore there is a LOT to be said for proper compensation. It's been well proven that people properly paid and respected WILL produce a superior product in shorter time than will someone being abused.
If people want money, they should have to work hard for it...there's no 'entitlement' to income. Want more? Work harder, or smarter, or more. Don't expect big brother to come twist someones arm and make them pay you for being a lazy ignorant twit (not you personally mind, speaking of the average minimum wage employee).
alkemyst
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Minimum wage should stay, however; I don't think it should be related to self-supporting.
Minimum wage people should still need help living. Whether this means parents, family or living with others, so be it. Too many people are thinking a min. wage job should entitle one to a life of independance with a home, car, etc.
Minimum wages should only entitle one to a life of food and shelter even if it means struggling.
The reality of the situation is those having to work at minimum wage don't have much to offer once past 18....they don't contribute much to our society and our society is about helping not supporting (This is the US...I am not assuming non-socialism/non-communism is worldwide).
The true messed up part is I know many people on welfare (my wife works retail fashion where there are a lot of 'problem cases' in life) that should not be, yet complain they are impoverished. The 'interesting' couple my wife is sort of p!ssed about gets food stamps, medicare, supplies for free, just bought a townhouse from the government at a steal yet he drives a Mercedes and she has a Lexus SUV pretty new, she wears real designer like Prada, LV, Gucci...but complains the government doesn't care about the poor.
Minimum wage people should still need help living. Whether this means parents, family or living with others, so be it. Too many people are thinking a min. wage job should entitle one to a life of independance with a home, car, etc.
Minimum wages should only entitle one to a life of food and shelter even if it means struggling.
The reality of the situation is those having to work at minimum wage don't have much to offer once past 18....they don't contribute much to our society and our society is about helping not supporting (This is the US...I am not assuming non-socialism/non-communism is worldwide).
The true messed up part is I know many people on welfare (my wife works retail fashion where there are a lot of 'problem cases' in life) that should not be, yet complain they are impoverished. The 'interesting' couple my wife is sort of p!ssed about gets food stamps, medicare, supplies for free, just bought a townhouse from the government at a steal yet he drives a Mercedes and she has a Lexus SUV pretty new, she wears real designer like Prada, LV, Gucci...but complains the government doesn't care about the poor.
That is all it does..... I can't imagine what it would be like in areas where the minimum is $5.15. :Q Although I guess the cost of living should be cheaper in those areas, but still.
People that abuse it like that suck, and make the truely poor look bad.
Question, though.. they don't just hand out aide to anybody that asks, do they? I mean... aren't there minimum requirements? If those people can afford all that stuff, doesen't that mean they must be lying to get the aid? Or does the addition of the aid give them enough money to afford that stuff?
be realistic: it's not going to happen. Because there will always be people who need the money NOW, and can't afford to go on strike for higher wages.
it is. Minimum wage is different in different regions, depending on the cost of living.
*shrug* I've needed money too, but I always do what's right, no matter what. If people don't have the integrity to do that, then they deserve the lower wages anyway.
Babbles
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If they can not live in an area due to cost of living, then they should move. I have been unemployed for about a month and I can't find jack when it comes to jobs in my field therefore I may have to move to another area. It is not government's responsibility to make sure I am all cozy and comfy.
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