Should Michael Sam Sue the NFL?

[Childs]

You really should quit when you are still ahead.

Top 19 biggest busts of the NFL = http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/photos/biggest-draft-busts-ever/21 (both of them are in the list)

According to this I'm even more ahead...Russell was listed number 1! lol Biggest bust came from the SEC... :biggrin: Unfortunately he was drafted by the Raiders...

See, I never claimed the SEC (or any conference) is all that while you claimed Pac12 as "superior".

Still telling yourself that USC was a dynasty? LOL.

Well, I think USC was undefeated against the SEC during Carroll's run, and as a conference the SEC stopped scheduling them. And it does say something that Carroll's teams didn't lose out of conference, except 1...and I'm pretty sure Vince Young was on PEDs. I'd put those Trojan teams up against anyone. Outside of USC, there's usually 2 or 3 really good teams. Pac12 typically does as well or better than the SEC in conference bowl records every year.

And two mediocre Big12 teams joined the SEC and they are now significant in the conference. :hmm: I'd have a better feel for how good they really are if they'd schedule more outside their conference. So glad for the playoff system, even if they really should have 8 teams. Now we'll see how many championships the SEC actually earns, instead of being gifted by playing the Big12.

 

[Svnla]

According to this I'm even more ahead...Russell was listed number 1! lol Biggest bust came from the SEC... :biggrin: Unfortunately he was drafted by the Raiders...



Well, I think USC was undefeated against the SEC during Carroll's run, and as a conference the SEC stopped scheduling them. And it does say something that Carroll's teams didn't lose out of conference, except 1...and I'm pretty sure Vince Young was on PEDs. I'd put those Trojan teams up against anyone. Outside of USC, there's usually 2 or 3 really good teams. Pac12 typically does as well or better in conference bowl records every year.

And two mediocre Big12 teams joined the SEC and they are now significant in the conference. :hmm: I'd have a better feel for how good they really are if they'd schedule more outside their conference. So glad for the playoff system, even if they really should have 8 teams. Now we'll see how many championships the SEC actually earns, instead of being gifted by playing the Big12.

You did not see my edit so I will post it again.

Remember Todd Marinovich, Steve Emtman, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Mike Williams, Matt Leinart ? Superior conference you said?

How many college football championship did the Pac12 win after the short run from USC? LOL. How about zero. How about SEC? Several.

SEC is still on top of Pac12 = http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/6/24/5832920/college-football-conferences-best-2014

Over the last decade, the SEC holds a nation-best .633 winning percentage against other Power 5 conference teams and has 33 more wins than the PAC-12, its next closest competitor.

SEC has best record versus other conferences, even the Pac12 = http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/se...t-past-decade-power-5-conference-competition/

This is getting old. Do you have any links/stats to back up your statements like I have been doing? You haven't provide one link/source to back up your "superior" statement while I did have not one, not two, not three, but several.

 

[Annisman*]

Ever heard of Aaron Maybin ? Yeah I didn't think so, he was a tweener just like Sam, couldn't make it even a couple years after being selected in the top 15.

 

[Childs]

You did not see my edit so I will post it again.

Remember Todd Marinovich, Steve Emtman, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Mike Williams, Matt Leinart ? Superior conference you said?

How many college football championship did the Pac12 win after the short run from USC? LOL. How about zero. How about SEC? Several.

SEC is still on top of Pac12 = http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/6/24/5832920/college-football-conferences-best-2014



SEC has best record versus other conferences, even the Pac12 = http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/se...t-past-decade-power-5-conference-competition/

This is getting old. Do you have any links/stats to back up your statements like I have been doing? You haven't provide one link/source to back up your "superior" statement while I did have not one, not two, not three, but several.

Hmm...it all goes back to my original point, if the SEC is so good, why couldn't their DPOY make an NFL roster??? Notice, all those busts you listed actually made the league.

 

[purbeast0]

they showed highlights from his first game in the CFL, and on his first drive, he bit on a play action pass and the other team scored a TD because of it.

he got cut cause he's simply not that good, not cause he sucks dick.

 

[purbeast0]

Seems strange that an SEC Defensive Player of the Year couldnt make an NFL team. That being said, having a reality show lined up before making a roster did seem like a red flag.

rg3 won the heisman and look at him, he sucks in the nfl.

what accolades you have in college don't always translate over to the nfl.

 

[BoomerD]

sue for what? not being good enough?

Exactly. The NFL isn't in any way responsible for his lack of talent.

 

[zinfamous]

Even Heisman Trophy winners have had trouble making the NFL. Eric Crouch comes to mind.

Charlie Ward didn't even bother, and went straight to the NBA,

Though, in retrospect, his type of skill set is something that GMs are paying more attention to these days. His size then is still a huge issue today, and probably always will be despite what someone like Russell Wilson has proven (and Drew Brees, for that matter).

 

[zinfamous]

See, this is why I do not believe that you would do well to pick players as you claimed.

You claimed a conference as "average" or "mediocre" based on a player or two/handful while I have solid stats directly from the NFL itself to prove that was not true.

So Ryan Leaf was a a big bust, by your logic, Pac 12 conference is mediocre? or ACC is just average because of Gino Torretta? LOL.

I'm an ACC person and yes, when it comes to football, the ACC is mediocre...though that might be giving them too much credit.

 

[CPA]

Seems strange that an SEC Defensive Player of the Year couldnt make an NFL team. That being said, having a reality show lined up before making a roster did seem like a red flag.

Why is it fucking strange? Do you have a clue of how difficult it is to make the NFL. Do you know that Heisman Trophy winners have not made an NFL roster?

I'm getting so fucking sick of this shit.

 

[CPA]

Hmm...it all goes back to my original point, if the SEC is so good, why couldn't their DPOY make an NFL roster??? Notice, all those busts you listed actually made the league.

Four of those listed are QB's. You don't throw aside a drafted QB. Linebackers are a dime a dozen. God damn.

 

[smitbret]

Four of those listed are QB's. You don't throw aside a drafted QB. Linebackers are a dime a dozen. God damn.

At least there's one other guy in this thread that understands sports. Sam could have made the practice squad for any of these teams but he decided it was a better opportunity to chase the CFL. My impression is that he has some personal issues (sexuality related or not) that are really clouding his ability to make a pro roster. The demand to win is so huge in the NFL that there is not a team out there that would cut a player if they thought he could help them win a ballgame. Do you seriously think the same team(s) that would pay millions of dollars to a kicker would be so fickle as to cut a player because of their sexual preference. That's stupid.

These guys in this thread are probably the same guys that can't figure out why a 4GHz AMD CPU is not as fast as a 3.5GHz Intel CPU. There's just more to it than that.

Snoop Dogg's kid just left the UCLA football team because he couldn't get any playing time, despite being ranked #135 out of the ESPN Top 200 high school recruits. Sometimes the jump to the next level just doesn't work out.

 

[Svnla]

Hmm...it all goes back to my original point, if the SEC is so good, why couldn't their DPOY make an NFL roster??? Notice, all those busts you listed actually made the league.

As I said before, you have to ask Sam why he could not even make it to the CFL, let alone NFL.

Here is a good article: (see the bolded/underlined- the columnist very much said what I said several times in this thread)

But worse was his performance.

He was timed in 5.07 seconds in the 40-yard dash, slow for an edge rusher. That time should be closer to 4.7. At his pro day last year, Sam ran 4.79. So one year and he's that much slower?

...Then again, it shows college stats and awards mean nothing when it comes to playing with the big boys.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...el-sams-vets-combine-workout-to-end-nfl-dream


You picked out 1 player to trash a whole conference while I provided not one, not two, not three but several links from well know sources, even from the NFL itself to prove to you that the SEC was no push over as you claimed repeatedly.

You claimed the Pac12 as superior yet the SEC has more college football championships, more players drafted to the NFL (9 years straight and going on strong), better win record versus other conferences, and so on. I have facts on my side and you have??

Do you have anything new to say or better yet, provide a link or two to back up your statements. You know, the old saying of put up or shut up, eh?

See what CPA, purebeast, and others said above, enough said.

 

[smackababy]

And yet the SEC DPOY couldn't make one NFL roster... Can't have it both ways. We're not even talking about playing in real games, just making a roster or even holding onto a practice squad spot.

To be fair, Sam was a great practice player in Dallas. They had to cut him for a player (much better player) coming off IR. He could make the practice team.

Unfortunately, he wasn't big enough or fast enough to be in the NFL. In college, you're talking about thousands of players. Some might excel in college and it doesn't translate into the NFL.

And, I think a big part of it is likely Sam's attitude. If he doesn't have one of the best attitudes, at his skill level, nobody will bother with him. There are hundreds of other players willing to contribute and fight for that spot.

 

[TheGardener]

rg3 won the heisman and look at him, he sucks in the nfl.

what accolades you have in college don't always translate over to the nfl.

I think you could have picked better examples than Griffin. He was rookie of the year and he did take his team to the playoffs. Since then he's floundered for sure. I think that has a lot to do with him not being very coachable, durable, and he fumbles too much. Though he is still talented. I don't think he is done yet.

 

[smackababy]

I think you could have picked better examples than Griffin. He was rookie of the year and he did take his team to the playoffs. Since then he's floundered for sure. I think that has a lot to do with him not being very coachable, durable, and he fumbles too much. Though he is still talented. I don't think he is done yet.

Honestly, I think RG3 just doesn't fit in the offense of the Redskins and Gruden. He is incredibly accurate on short passes, has a cannon arm, and can move (when he has both knees...). If he was in an offense that suited his strengths and not tried to have him be a pocket passer, he would do much better.

 

[AgentUnknown]

Mike piazza had a great career. He was on a few mlb teams. Sam just wasn't good enough.

Antonio gates one of the best TE ever played basketball in college.

 

[TheGardener]

Honestly, I think RG3 just doesn't fit in the offense of the Redskins and Gruden. He is incredibly accurate on short passes, has a cannon arm, and can move (when he has both knees...). If he was in an offense that suited his strengths and not tried to have him be a pocket passer, he would do much better.

I remember Griffen being interviewed on ESPN. It may have been his first year. Also I can't remember the interviewers name. The guy pleaded with Griffin to slide after he made the first down. I think this is part of what I meant by Griffin not being coachable.

Some people don't understand I am not making a case for Sam to sue the NFL. I'm just saying that at some point someone is going to do just that. When it comes to our Department of Labor and our judges who knows what can happen.

As for the people who immediately shout out moron to incite and garner attention, they are low intelligent people, who lack the ability to discuss topics. They do the same schtick on other threads. Even Mayne has more intelligence than them. And that is setting the bar really low.

 

[smackababy]

I remember Griffen being interviewed on ESPN. It may have been his first year. Also I can't remember the interviewers name. The guy pleaded with Griffin to slide after he made the first down. I think this is part of what I meant by Griffin not being coachable.

Some people don't understand I am not making a case for Sam to sue the NFL. I'm just saying that at some point someone is going to do just that. When it comes to our Department of Labor and our judges who knows what can happen.

As for the people who immediately shout out moron to incite and garner attention, they are low intelligent people, who lack the ability to discuss topics. They do the same schtick on other threads. Even Mayne has more intelligence than them. And that is setting the bar really low.

I remember reading somewhere they had to bring in a baseball coach to teach Michael Vick how to slide, because he was hurting himself attempting it. RG3 not sliding is something that will eventually change, or he will remain hurt.

 

[Darwin333]

Hmm...it all goes back to my original point, if the SEC is so good, why couldn't their DPOY make an NFL roster??? Notice, all those busts you listed actually made the league.

Maybe he started doing meth or smoking crack? Lots of things other than his athletic ability could be at play.

 

[purbeast0]

I think you could have picked better examples than Griffin. He was rookie of the year and he did take his team to the playoffs. Since then he's floundered for sure. I think that has a lot to do with him not being very coachable, durable, and he fumbles too much. Though he is still talented. I don't think he is done yet.

he "took his team to the playoffs" just as much as the rest of the team did in that fluke ass 7 game winning streak they had to finish the season, along with all of the other cards just happening to fall right in place.

did you happen to forget that the backups also won games while he was injured?

he's a fine example to use, and even goes to show you that all the fluff you may initially see might not mean shit. in the case with Sam, there was no fluff they had to see through.

 

[Childs]

Why is it fucking strange? Do you have a clue of how difficult it is to make the NFL. Do you know that Heisman Trophy winners have not made an NFL roster?

I'm getting so fucking sick of this shit.

How many Heisman Trophy winners didnt make an NFL roster? I can't think of any within the last 30 years. They may have sucked once they got there, but thats a different argument. And in this case, we are talking about the best defensive player in arguably the best defensive conference.

 

[Childs]

As I said before, you have to ask Sam why he could not even make it to the CFL, let alone NFL.

Here is a good article: (see the bolded/underlined- the columnist very much said what I said several times in this thread)



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...el-sams-vets-combine-workout-to-end-nfl-dream


You picked out 1 player to trash a whole conference while I provided not one, not two, not three but several links from well know sources, even from the NFL itself to prove to you that the SEC was no push over as you claimed repeatedly.

You claimed the Pac12 as superior yet the SEC has more college football championships, more players drafted to the NFL (9 years straight and going on strong), better win record versus other conferences, and so on. I have facts on my side and you have??

Do you have anything new to say or better yet, provide a link or two to back up your statements. You know, the old saying of put up or shut up, eh?

See what CPA, purebeast, and others said above, enough said.

Your stats further my position and you dont even seem to realize it. If the SEC is that good, how could their best defensive player not make an NFL roster? It will always come down to that, unless you dont think the SEC is that good. NFL doesnt give up on potential that quickly. Unless someone comes out and says why he couldnt at least make a practice squad, we have to go with what we already know.

 

[Childs]

To be fair, Sam was a great practice player in Dallas. They had to cut him for a player (much better player) coming off IR. He could make the practice team.

Unfortunately, he wasn't big enough or fast enough to be in the NFL. In college, you're talking about thousands of players. Some might excel in college and it doesn't translate into the NFL.

And, I think a big part of it is likely Sam's attitude. If he doesn't have one of the best attitudes, at his skill level, nobody will bother with him. There are hundreds of other players willing to contribute and fight for that spot.

The one thing I would point to that might say he could have had problems is that he signed that deal with Oprah's network to have a reality TV show before he was signed. I want to even say he had that deal in place before he was even drafted, but I dont remember. That and the gay thing was probably perceived to be too much hassle for any team to deal with.

But good practice players are picked up by other teams all the time. What I obviously dont know is how much he actually wants to play. I would think an SEC DPOY, barring injury, would be able to make an NFL roster if he really wants to play.

 

[Svnla]

Your stats further my position and you dont even seem to realize it. If the SEC is that good, how could their best defensive player not make an NFL roster? It will always come down to that, unless you dont think the SEC is that good. NFL doesnt give up on potential that quickly. Unless someone comes out and says why he couldnt at least make a practice squad, we have to go with what we already know.

You seem not to get it and now you are trolling. You pick out 1 single player to trash a whole conference while you do not know the true reason(s) of why Sam did not make the NFL or the CFL.

You claimed the Pac12 as superior (your own words) but have ZERO stats/links to back up that statement while I provided several links to prove to you that the SEC was in FACT better than other conferences, even the Pac12. That's how grow up debate, with facts and links/sources, not opinion.

I already provided several links from well know sources, even from the NFL itself to back up my statements while ALL you have are "but..but..why he could not make the squad even he was the DPOY..so the SEC is not that good..whaaaa..wahhahaaa". WTF x 100000000000000000000000.

Now do you have anything else to say beside the same old line you used over and over again?