Should massive people pay more to fly?

[Zebo]

http://www.news.com.au/common/...7415%255E13762,00.html

Fat flyers a drag
From correspondents in Atlanta
November 6, 2004

US airlines are experiencing a blow-out in fuel costs because so many of their passengers are fat, according to a government report.

The average weight of Americans increased by 4.5kg during the 1990s and two-thirds of the population is overweight or obese, the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention said.

As a result, airlines had to spend an extra $US275 million ($364 million) in 2000 alone to burn an additional 1.4 billion litres of fuel to counteract the drag on planes caused by fatter flyers.

"The obesity epidemic has unexpected consequences beyond direct health effects," CDCP spokesman Deron Burton said. "Our goal was to highlight one area that had not been looked at before."

The extra fuel burned also had an environmental affect, as an estimated 3.8 million extra tonnes of carbon dioxide were released into the air, according to the study.

 

[CycloWizard]

Same thing applies to cars. It just takes more energy to take bigger people from A to B. I cleaned out my car (took all the tools and the old engine out of the trunk ) and I got about 8 mpg more. Common sense when you think about it, at least if you're an enginerd.

 

[Zebo]

Ya but you pay extra when overloaded with the gas you have to put in. Airtravel is socialized so skinny pay the same as fat dispite fats person creating more drag and getting the plan less MPG. I'm all in favor of higher rates for large peoples.. and I weigh 265 and fly a lot.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Ya but you pay extra when overloaded with the gas you have to put in. Airtravel is socialized so skinny pay the same as fat dispite fats person creating more drag and getting the plan less MPG. I'm all in favor of higher rates for large peoples.. and I weigh 265 and fly a lot.

I wasn't disagreeing with that at all - trying to reason why it's true, actually.

 

[ICISII]

we should charge per pound.. i weigh 315

 

[ICISII]

6'7

 

[Kadarin]

Hell yes. If you take up two seats, you should damn well pay for them.

 

[gutharius]

Same thing for those who try to cram themselves into one seat with their fat hanging over into the neighboring seats.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

IMHO: I think the problem is that you dont assume you need two seats. I think it is wrong to buy a ticket for air fare to go from point a to b. Get to the airport and then be told I need a second seat.

Now, if sales of tickets required that you list your weight and heigt, that is the solution. If you are 5'5" and weigh 300 pounds, you should be told at hte time of purchase that two tickets are required. Nothing is wrong with that.

AS for "morals" or whatever. The airline industry is not a government organization and if you are to fat to fit in a seat, that 's to damn bad.

Pre-emptive "some people can't loose weight" rebuttal.
People are overweight because they can't control their eating and/or maintain an exercise program. It's their own fault and if they have to pay more, I could care less. It's not glandular. That's simply BS. Show me a picture of an ethiopian iwht a "glandular" problem. After having sat next to a 500 pound man at work for 2 years, I learned something. He simply doesn't want to loose the weight. He had to get his stomach stapled to loose weight, which thankfully is working. But he didn't need to get his stomach stapled. He needed to eat less. Once asked him about hte atkins diet. He tried it but quit because he got a BAD headache from it. So, he wasn't on hte Atkin's diet. If you go on it, that menas you read the book and if you read the book, you should understand that headaches might be part of the program to start. Having gone through the Atkin's diet, I know it works. LAZINESS!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004


Pre-emptive "some people can't loose weight" rebuttal.
People are overweight because they can't control their eating and/or maintain an exercise program. It's their own fault and if they have to pay more, I could care less. It's not glandular.

Your ignorance is astounding.

While the vast majority of obese people are simply overeating or have slow metabolisms and are over eating for their body types, a significant minority of obese people suffer from thyroid or hormonal imbalances.

A perfect example is Jerry Lewis. The man was thin as a rail all his life until forced to take massive doses of Prednisone for to treat pulmonary fibrosis. Within months he had massive weight gain (90 lbs) and blew up like a balloon. Proof positive that hormonal imballances can cause a normally thin person to become obese. After coming off the Prednisone, he has lost the weight.

Hypothyroidism is a real condition that causes obesity:

http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000367.cfm

And there are more conditions as well.

 

[PatboyX]

if that happens, "massive people" will get groups (assuming one doesnt already exist) to complain/protest discrimination.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
IMHO: I think the problem is that you dont assume you need two seats. I think it is wrong to buy a ticket for air fare to go from point a to b. Get to the airport and then be told I need a second seat.

Now, if sales of tickets required that you list your weight and heigt, that is the solution. If you are 5'5" and weigh 300 pounds, you should be told at hte time of purchase that two tickets are required. Nothing is wrong with that.

AS for "morals" or whatever. The airline industry is not a government organization and if you are to fat to fit in a seat, that 's to damn bad.

Pre-emptive "some people can't loose weight" rebuttal.
People are overweight because they can't control their eating and/or maintain an exercise program. It's their own fault and if they have to pay more, I could care less. It's not glandular. That's simply BS. Show me a picture of an ethiopian iwht a "glandular" problem. After having sat next to a 500 pound man at work for 2 years, I learned something. He simply doesn't want to loose the weight. He had to get his stomach stapled to loose weight, which thankfully is working. But he didn't need to get his stomach stapled. He needed to eat less. Once asked him about hte atkins diet. He tried it but quit because he got a BAD headache from it. So, he wasn't on hte Atkin's diet. If you go on it, that menas you read the book and if you read the book, you should understand that headaches might be part of the program to start. Having gone through the Atkin's diet, I know it works. LAZINESS!

People who sit next to you on the Airplane and talk about their experiances with the Atkins Diet should be charged more for being annoying twits.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004


Pre-emptive "some people can't loose weight" rebuttal.
People are overweight because they can't control their eating and/or maintain an exercise program. It's their own fault and if they have to pay more, I could care less. It's not glandular.

Your ignorance is astounding.

While the vast majority of obese people are simply overeating or have slow metabolisms and are over eating for their body types, a significant minority of obese people suffer from thyroid or hormonal imbalances.

A perfect example is Jerry Lewis. The man was thin as a rail all his life until forced to take massive doses of Prednisone for to treat pulmonary fibrosis. Within months he had massive weight gain (90 lbs) and blew up like a balloon. Proof positive that hormonal imballances can cause a normally thin person to become obese. After coming off the Prednisone, he has lost the weight.

Hypothyroidism is a real condition that causes obesity:

http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000367.cfm

And there are more conditions as well.

While prednisolone (a synthetic cortico-steroid) will cause water retention and loss of muscle tissue it does NOT promote fat accumulation unless you go crazy with food and stop excersising totally.

Hypothyrodism can (and should) be treated with hormone replacement therapy.

If society wasn't so hellbent on keeping anabolic steroids regulated those who get heavy treatments with cortico-steroids could take a healthy dose of oxandrolone or nandrolone and suffer a lot less, the balance between anabolic and catabolic hormones is important, even the medical community knows this but who has the guts to proclaim it? No one.

Same goes with the thyroid hormoes which were heavily abused and have become a shedule III drug since, it is almost impossible to get a prescription ever since.

Take a good look at the asthmatics, filled with cortisol which breaks down muslce tissue, heart, LUNGS and bronch-muscles, what kind of treatment is that, it ensures certain death in the long run, combat it with something that would strenghten the muscles and you will have better results, but nooooo, anabolic steroids are tooo dangerous and asthmatic drugs that work as bronchodilators AND anabolics (clenbuterol) are a definete no no if you do not live in mexico or south america.

Sorry, heh, i got a bit carried away there i think.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: gutharius
Same thing for those who try to cram themselves into one seat with their fat hanging over into the neighboring seats.

They should make blacks and arabs buy two seats too because nobody wants to sit next to them. The same for smokers and other smelly people. The same for old people, stupid people, and people with small children because they move slowly and block the aisles, and they are just annoying, so let's discriminate against them and maybe they will stop flying. The same for ignorant Internet forum members because their swollen heads take up so much room. If you read the article, the problem is not a few grossly obese people. The problem is the average American is 10 pounds heavier. Maybe the airlines should learn to accomodate their passengers instead of whining about them.

Before you get too self righteous, remember that half of you will be fat by the time you are 40. So will your wives.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004


Pre-emptive "some people can't loose weight" rebuttal.
People are overweight because they can't control their eating and/or maintain an exercise program. It's their own fault and if they have to pay more, I could care less. It's not glandular.

Your ignorance is astounding.

While the vast majority of obese people are simply overeating or have slow metabolisms and are over eating for their body types, a significant minority of obese people suffer from thyroid or hormonal imbalances.

A perfect example is Jerry Lewis. The man was thin as a rail all his life until forced to take massive doses of Prednisone for to treat pulmonary fibrosis. Within months he had massive weight gain (90 lbs) and blew up like a balloon. Proof positive that hormonal imballances can cause a normally thin person to become obese. After coming off the Prednisone, he has lost the weight.

Hypothyroidism is a real condition that causes obesity:

http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000367.cfm

And there are more conditions as well.

While prednisolone (a synthetic cortico-steroid) will cause water retention and loss of muscle tissue it does NOT promote fat accumulation unless you go crazy with food and stop excersising totally.

Hypothyrodism can (and should) be treated with hormone replacement therapy.

If society wasn't so hellbent on keeping anabolic steroids regulated those who get heavy treatments with cortico-steroids could take a healthy dose of oxandrolone or nandrolone and suffer a lot less, the balance between anabolic and catabolic hormones is important, even the medical community knows this but who has the guts to proclaim it? No one.

Same goes with the thyroid hormoes which were heavily abused and have become a shedule III drug since, it is almost impossible to get a prescription ever since.

Take a good look at the asthmatics, filled with cortisol which breaks down muslce tissue, heart, LUNGS and bronch-muscles, what kind of treatment is that, it ensures certain death in the long run, combat it with something that would strenghten the muscles and you will have better results, but nooooo, anabolic steroids are tooo dangerous and asthmatic drugs that work as bronchodilators AND anabolics (clenbuterol) are a definete no no if you do not live in mexico or south america.

Sorry, heh, i got a bit carried away there i think.

Thyroid hormones Schedule III? Must be a Euro thing.

How the hell do they treat asthmatics in Germany? We don't have those problems here. We don't give systemic corticosteroids long term unless the patient can't breathe.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: gutharius
Same thing for those who try to cram themselves into one seat with their fat hanging over into the neighboring seats.

They should make blacks and arabs buy two seats too because nobody wants to sit next to them. The same for smokers and other smelly people. The same for old people, stupid people, and people with small children because they move slowly and block the aisles, and they are just annoying, so let's discriminate against them and maybe they will stop flying. The same for ignorant Internet forum members because their swollen heads take up so much room. If you read the article, the problem is not a few grossly obese people. The problem is the average American is 10 pounds heavier. Maybe the airlines should learn to accomodate their passengers instead of whining about them.

Before you get too self righteous, remember that half of you will be fat by the time you are 40. So will your wives.

There's a difference between "putting on a little weight" and being obese.
My parents(both around 60) aren't athletes by any stretch, but they're far from obese, and if sitting in an airplane, they definitely won't take up any more than their own seat.

Growing older is no excuse for becoming obese.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004


Pre-emptive "some people can't loose weight" rebuttal.
People are overweight because they can't control their eating and/or maintain an exercise program. It's their own fault and if they have to pay more, I could care less. It's not glandular.

Your ignorance is astounding.

While the vast majority of obese people are simply overeating or have slow metabolisms and are over eating for their body types, a significant minority of obese people suffer from thyroid or hormonal imbalances.

A perfect example is Jerry Lewis. The man was thin as a rail all his life until forced to take massive doses of Prednisone for to treat pulmonary fibrosis. Within months he had massive weight gain (90 lbs) and blew up like a balloon. Proof positive that hormonal imballances can cause a normally thin person to become obese. After coming off the Prednisone, he has lost the weight.

Hypothyroidism is a real condition that causes obesity:

http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000367.cfm

And there are more conditions as well.

While prednisolone (a synthetic cortico-steroid) will cause water retention and loss of muscle tissue it does NOT promote fat accumulation unless you go crazy with food and stop excersising totally.

Hypothyrodism can (and should) be treated with hormone replacement therapy.

If society wasn't so hellbent on keeping anabolic steroids regulated those who get heavy treatments with cortico-steroids could take a healthy dose of oxandrolone or nandrolone and suffer a lot less, the balance between anabolic and catabolic hormones is important, even the medical community knows this but who has the guts to proclaim it? No one.

Same goes with the thyroid hormoes which were heavily abused and have become a shedule III drug since, it is almost impossible to get a prescription ever since.

Take a good look at the asthmatics, filled with cortisol which breaks down muslce tissue, heart, LUNGS and bronch-muscles, what kind of treatment is that, it ensures certain death in the long run, combat it with something that would strenghten the muscles and you will have better results, but nooooo, anabolic steroids are tooo dangerous and asthmatic drugs that work as bronchodilators AND anabolics (clenbuterol) are a definete no no if you do not live in mexico or south america.

Sorry, heh, i got a bit carried away there i think.

Thyroid hormones Schedule III? Must be a Euro thing.

How the hell do they treat asthmatics in Germany? We don't have those problems here. We don't give systemic corticosteroids long term unless the patient can't breathe.

Asthmatics problems being what? That they can't breathe?

For severe asthmatics or chronic bronch diseases a continuous treatment with cortico-steroids is a must, bronchodilators help but chronic inflammation is very common and no amount of bronchodilators will fix, local treatment with cortico-steroids work wonders in some cases but in most cases drugs like prednisolone are the only treatment that works.

You will have to excuse my ignorance and perhaps i assumed something incorrectly, i thought both anabolic hormones, thyroid hormones and some bronchodilators were shedule III drugs in the US, i might be wrong.

How do we treat them? Well, local cortico steroid inhalers (pulmicort), salmeterol (serevent), salbutamol (ventoline) inhalers and terbutaline (bricanyl) inhalers often used in combination and sometimes ipratropium bromide monohydrate (atrovent) too, if you have a chronic lung or bronch disease or severe enough astma prednisolone or betapred is used in combination with these drugs

You have a better treatment?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004


Pre-emptive "some people can't loose weight" rebuttal.
People are overweight because they can't control their eating and/or maintain an exercise program. It's their own fault and if they have to pay more, I could care less. It's not glandular.

Your ignorance is astounding.

While the vast majority of obese people are simply overeating or have slow metabolisms and are over eating for their body types, a significant minority of obese people suffer from thyroid or hormonal imbalances.

A perfect example is Jerry Lewis. The man was thin as a rail all his life until forced to take massive doses of Prednisone for to treat pulmonary fibrosis. Within months he had massive weight gain (90 lbs) and blew up like a balloon. Proof positive that hormonal imballances can cause a normally thin person to become obese. After coming off the Prednisone, he has lost the weight.

Hypothyroidism is a real condition that causes obesity:

http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000367.cfm

And there are more conditions as well.

While prednisolone (a synthetic cortico-steroid) will cause water retention and loss of muscle tissue it does NOT promote fat accumulation unless you go crazy with food and stop excersising totally.

Hypothyrodism can (and should) be treated with hormone replacement therapy.

If society wasn't so hellbent on keeping anabolic steroids regulated those who get heavy treatments with cortico-steroids could take a healthy dose of oxandrolone or nandrolone and suffer a lot less, the balance between anabolic and catabolic hormones is important, even the medical community knows this but who has the guts to proclaim it? No one.

Same goes with the thyroid hormoes which were heavily abused and have become a shedule III drug since, it is almost impossible to get a prescription ever since.

Take a good look at the asthmatics, filled with cortisol which breaks down muslce tissue, heart, LUNGS and bronch-muscles, what kind of treatment is that, it ensures certain death in the long run, combat it with something that would strenghten the muscles and you will have better results, but nooooo, anabolic steroids are tooo dangerous and asthmatic drugs that work as bronchodilators AND anabolics (clenbuterol) are a definete no no if you do not live in mexico or south america.

Sorry, heh, i got a bit carried away there i think.

Thyroid hormones Schedule III? Must be a Euro thing.

How the hell do they treat asthmatics in Germany? We don't have those problems here. We don't give systemic corticosteroids long term unless the patient can't breathe.

Asthmatics problems being what? That they can't breathe?

For severe asthmatics or chronic bronch diseases a continuous treatment with cortico-steroids is a must, bronchodilators help but chronic inflammation is very common and no amount of bronchodilators will fix, local treatment with cortico-steroids work wonders in some cases but in most cases drugs like prednisolone are the only treatment that works.

You will have to excuse my ignorance and perhaps i assumed something incorrectly, i thought both anabolic hormones, thyroid hormones and some bronchodilators were shedule III drugs in the US, i might be wrong.

Nope, just anabolic steroids. I happen to do this stuff for a living

Albuterol and such is used here on an as needed basis. We have gotten away from chronic use whenever possible with a goal of preventing attacks. Inhaled steroids, and Singular are first choice meds, and bronchodialators back up. Of course some poor bastards are just out of luck and need everything they can get. It's disheartening to see a kid tied to a nebulizer. Still, it's better than it was. Key is to find out what is causing the alarming increase in asthma. Something is triggering it, and diesel particulates and dustmites are just a few of the culprits. It is conjectured that there is something else in the environment which is sensitizing kids. BabyBaliDoc may know more about this than I, but in any case it sucks.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004


Pre-emptive "some people can't loose weight" rebuttal.
People are overweight because they can't control their eating and/or maintain an exercise program. It's their own fault and if they have to pay more, I could care less. It's not glandular.

Your ignorance is astounding.

While the vast majority of obese people are simply overeating or have slow metabolisms and are over eating for their body types, a significant minority of obese people suffer from thyroid or hormonal imbalances.

A perfect example is Jerry Lewis. The man was thin as a rail all his life until forced to take massive doses of Prednisone for to treat pulmonary fibrosis. Within months he had massive weight gain (90 lbs) and blew up like a balloon. Proof positive that hormonal imballances can cause a normally thin person to become obese. After coming off the Prednisone, he has lost the weight.

Hypothyroidism is a real condition that causes obesity:

http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000367.cfm

And there are more conditions as well.

While prednisolone (a synthetic cortico-steroid) will cause water retention and loss of muscle tissue it does NOT promote fat accumulation unless you go crazy with food and stop excersising totally.

Hypothyrodism can (and should) be treated with hormone replacement therapy.

If society wasn't so hellbent on keeping anabolic steroids regulated those who get heavy treatments with cortico-steroids could take a healthy dose of oxandrolone or nandrolone and suffer a lot less, the balance between anabolic and catabolic hormones is important, even the medical community knows this but who has the guts to proclaim it? No one.

Same goes with the thyroid hormoes which were heavily abused and have become a shedule III drug since, it is almost impossible to get a prescription ever since.

Take a good look at the asthmatics, filled with cortisol which breaks down muslce tissue, heart, LUNGS and bronch-muscles, what kind of treatment is that, it ensures certain death in the long run, combat it with something that would strenghten the muscles and you will have better results, but nooooo, anabolic steroids are tooo dangerous and asthmatic drugs that work as bronchodilators AND anabolics (clenbuterol) are a definete no no if you do not live in mexico or south america.

Sorry, heh, i got a bit carried away there i think.

Thyroid hormones Schedule III? Must be a Euro thing.

How the hell do they treat asthmatics in Germany? We don't have those problems here. We don't give systemic corticosteroids long term unless the patient can't breathe.

Asthmatics problems being what? That they can't breathe?

For severe asthmatics or chronic bronch diseases a continuous treatment with cortico-steroids is a must, bronchodilators help but chronic inflammation is very common and no amount of bronchodilators will fix, local treatment with cortico-steroids work wonders in some cases but in most cases drugs like prednisolone are the only treatment that works.

You will have to excuse my ignorance and perhaps i assumed something incorrectly, i thought both anabolic hormones, thyroid hormones and some bronchodilators were shedule III drugs in the US, i might be wrong.

Nope, just anabolic steroids. I happen to do this stuff for a living

Albuterol and such is used here on an as needed basis. We have gotten away from chronic use whenever possible with a goal of preventing attacks. Inhaled steroids, and Singular are first choice meds, and bronchodialators back up. Of course some poor bastards are just out of luck and need everything they can get. It's disheartening to see a kid tied to a nebulizer. Still, it's better than it was. Key is to find out what is causing the alarming increase in asthma. Something is triggering it, and diesel particulates and dustmites are just a few of the culprits. It is conjectured that there is something else in the environment which is sensitizing kids. BabyBaliDoc may know more about this than I, but in any case it sucks.

Crap, i was wrong, fortunantly it is rare.

I updated my post, i have a son that has severe asthma, i try to find the best treatment as the traditional medication is not very good for a teenage boy.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Sunner
There's a difference between "putting on a little weight" and being obese.
My parents(both around 60) aren't athletes by any stretch, but they're far from obese, and if sitting in an airplane, they definitely won't take up any more than their own seat.

Growing older is no excuse for becoming obese.

The problem is framed as an aggregate one in the article - a single passenger who is 50 pound overweight contributes very little to fuel costs, but an increase of 10 pounds per passenger, times 100-300 passengers on a flight, adds a significant amount of weight. This argument is completely disconnected from the question of whether obese people should be forced to purchase two seats on a flight.

I'd still guess the increase in fuel costs is in the order of 1-2% without knowing better, as empty planes weigh a fair bit too.

 

[ElFenix]

if i get to the airport and my bags weigh too much they'll penalize me, even though me + 75 lbs of bags is still less than some fatty without any bags. that ain't right.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Sunner
There's a difference between "putting on a little weight" and being obese.
My parents(both around 60) aren't athletes by any stretch, but they're far from obese, and if sitting in an airplane, they definitely won't take up any more than their own seat.

Growing older is no excuse for becoming obese.

The problem is framed as an aggregate one in the article - a single passenger who is 50 pound overweight contributes very little to fuel costs, but an increase of 10 pounds per passenger, times 100-300 passengers on a flight, adds a significant amount of weight. This argument is completely disconnected from the question of whether obese people should be forced to purchase two seats on a flight.

I'd still guess the increase in fuel costs is in the order of 1-2% without knowing better, as empty planes weigh a fair bit too.

Well, I have no idea about how much the actual cost is, so I'm not really gonna get into that argument, planes aren't exactly my specialty

That said, I guess I should be thankful if that suggestion never goes anywhere, seeing as I'm rather heavy.
But then again, I don't exactly fly much, so it wouldn't matter much in the end

 

[ciba]

I was listening to a radio show yesterday and they had a retired airline employee talking about this. He said it was all BS and that the problem was just as much caused by planes not refeuling at every stop. He said airlines have fuel contracts, but if a trip goes A->B->C, they will just get enough fuel at location A to get them all the way to location C.

I don't know how accurate his statements may be, but it's definitely something to think about.

 

[Zedtom]

The airline industry is being pinched by higher fuel costs- but who isn't? The trucking industry is raising rates, and these costs are being passed down from wholesaler to retailer to you and me.

Where do we draw the line with people that are weight management challenged? Do we charge more as they step onto a bus? Will we install scales next to every entrance to a subway booth? Can you imagine the lawsuits and protests?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
IMHO: I think the problem is that you dont assume you need two seats. I think it is wrong to buy a ticket for air fare to go from point a to b. Get to the airport and then be told I need a second seat.

Now, if sales of tickets required that you list your weight and heigt, that is the solution. If you are 5'5" and weigh 300 pounds, you should be told at hte time of purchase that two tickets are required. Nothing is wrong with that.

AS for "morals" or whatever. The airline industry is not a government organization and if you are to fat to fit in a seat, that 's to damn bad.

Pre-emptive "some people can't loose weight" rebuttal.
People are overweight because they can't control their eating and/or maintain an exercise program. It's their own fault and if they have to pay more, I could care less. It's not glandular. That's simply BS. Show me a picture of an ethiopian iwht a "glandular" problem. After having sat next to a 500 pound man at work for 2 years, I learned something. He simply doesn't want to loose the weight. He had to get his stomach stapled to loose weight, which thankfully is working. But he didn't need to get his stomach stapled. He needed to eat less. Once asked him about hte atkins diet. He tried it but quit because he got a BAD headache from it. So, he wasn't on hte Atkin's diet. If you go on it, that menas you read the book and if you read the book, you should understand that headaches might be part of the program to start. Having gone through the Atkin's diet, I know it works. LAZINESS!

People who sit next to you on the Airplane and talk about their experiances with the Atkins Diet should be charged more for being annoying twits.

:laugh: