Discussion Should manufacturers be allowed to market AR-15 style guns to kids?

[HomerJS]

Gun makers marketing the JR-15 to kids an AR-15 style rifle. Should this be allowed? We know from other products there isn't a 1A issue because other products can't be marketed towards kids.

The 'JR-15,' an AR-15 rifle for kids, is being marketed again weeks after a 6-year-old shot a teacher

The JR-15 is a .22 long rifle geared toward "smaller enthusiasts," according to Wee 1 Tactical, the gunmaker who manufactures the rifles.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Pens1566]

Nope.

Will it be allowed? Yep.

 

[pete6032]

I had a hard time believing this was real but I clicked on the articles and that is indeed what the marketing material originally looked like.

What's even crazier is the MTG wants kids to carry these to school.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1553111693311594498

 

[Stokely]

LOL this fucking country...just when I think people can't get any crazier.

Sounds like a great way to finally get the last teachers to quit, letting kids carry guns of any sort to school. This is too stupid to even type out, I feel I've lost brain cells doing so.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I know kids are finicky customers. An effective campaign to properly arm them would be undertaking indeed.

However I feel there are far too many guns on the street, and I think no one under 21 should be allowed to own a firearm.

The last thing you want is a kid with a gun unless they are properly trained and even then would still be too much for me to accept.

 

[Muse]

The term <gun> enthusiasts bothers me. TBH, I do not want to know anybody who could be called one. I know, it's unrealistic. TBH, I have never seen a gun that "belonged" to anyone, OK (me included, obviously)? I mean a gun in a cop's holster doesn't "belong" to them. If anyone I have known had a gun, I never saw it. I have a friend who told me he had a gun but I never saw it.

Now, AvE on Youtube does amazing videos and I know he's gaga for some guns, he's kind of an outlier. He's super into technical stuff and he admires some guns just for their superior technical aspects.

 

[KB]

Its not a AR-15 style rifle because it shoots .22 LR, not .223 NATO, its marketed to look like one, but caliber is important.
But whatever their marketing looks like, kids can't buy them so the marketing has to reach the parents. And no MTG, kids should not bring these to school.

 

[Stokely]

It's seriously got to be part of the Republican efforts to gut education. Because the only teachers left in classrooms if kids are allowed to bring guns to class will be low-grade morons or Sunday school teachers (because Jesus loves guns). Hell teachers are leaving Florida due to fascists changing curriculum, that's nothing compared to this. Teaching is a hard job earning relatively low pay (for its importance) and this will just run more of them that have any choice in careers out.

I won't take any of this seriously in any case. It's looneytunes.

The fact that a Qanon conspiracy nut is a member of Congress tells you a lot about today's America. We are definitely one of the special children.

 

[eelw]

And the “responsible” gun nutters keep wondering why we call them nutters. Their “2A rights” put up with this insanity.

 

[dainthomas]

Its not a AR-15 style rifle because it shoots .22 LR, not .223 NATO, its marketed to look like one, but caliber is important.
But whatever their marketing looks like, kids can't buy them so the marketing has to reach the parents. And no MTG, kids should not bring these to school.

I'm sure the kid bleeding out on the floor will be thinking "at least this is only a .22 LR and not a .223 NATO."

The skull and crossbones logos are utterly tasteless and beyond the pale. As is everything else about this.

 

[Moonbeam]

I was shooting a 22 at the age of 5. I used to dig out my father's 38 when nobody was watching to look at it. Beautiful bluing and a pearl handle. My grandfather's Winchester lever action 30-30 and shotgun were sat beside the door from the house into the garage. Guns were like sidewalks or the milk man, common place. I used to strap on two colt 45 pistols and play cowboys and Indians outside, complete with the thrilling sound of cap gun retort and the smell of burnt powder. What a joy to be alive. One of those AR 15 22s, had I had one and I would have wanted to, would just be another way to have fun. Thinking about killing people and killing people in fun are universes apart. I don't think I have any repressed issues about guns or how evil they are. Guns are works of art and masterpieces of engineering and shooting targets in the wilderness is Zen.

As for marketing these Jrs to children, in a world I run NOTHING AT ALL would be allowed to be marketed to them. Happiness does not come from things. To instill a phony need in children that they can be happy owning this or that toy is an abomination. The whole effort is to make it impossible for responsible parenting. In my world people so engaged would be imprisoned. The whole human race is fucked because of psychological manipulation, fear based insecurity, and competition to make the dollars without which one can't survive. This hellish world and the torture of our inner lives are mirrors of each other.

 

[Zorba]

Its not a AR-15 style rifle because it shoots .22 LR, not .223 NATO, its marketed to look like one, but caliber is important.
But whatever their marketing looks like, kids can't buy them so the marketing has to reach the parents. And no MTG, kids should not bring these to school.

Yeah, why would anyone market things to kids that their parents have to buy? That never worked for fast food, alcohol, cigarettes, vaping, etc.

The gun nutters would still love the AR-15 regardless of whether it used .223 NATO or something else, it makes them look tactically cool and feel safe from the boggy man.

 

[Zorba]

And the “responsible” gun nutters keep wondering why we call them nutters. Their “2A rights” put up with this insanity.

I swear guns somehow rot people's brains. People that are completely reasonable about most thing in their lives just go completely nuts over guns. People generally don't do this with other hobbies.

 

[nOOky]

I do not think advertising guns to minors is a wise idea. If the parents want to expose their kids to guns they can teach them how to correctly operate one safely, and take them to whatever store they would want to buy them one from. I suspect the idea will be loved by some, and they will indeed buy their kid one of these things. But a 22 isn't a toy, and it can easily kill someone it's inadvertently aimed at.

 

[Stokely]

I swear guns somehow rot people's brains. People that are completely reasonable about most thing in their lives just go completely nuts over guns. People generally don't do this with other hobbies.

Just about every guitarist I've ever played with would like a word. And that's exactly what almost all gun collectors remind me of--someone cherishing their toys because they are cool and not because any kind of need. A guitarist no matter how famous does not need 30 or 40 guitars (most don't need more than a couple to play gigs)--not that I care, because people generally don't get killed by strangers with guitars, you just may get exposed to loud wankery that makes you cringe is all.

As far as I'm concerned, self-defense is nothing but an excuse to own toys. But it's legal, and trying to do anything about it is political suicide in exactly one country on earth, so it won't change.

 

[nakedfrog]

I swear guns somehow rot people's brains. People that are completely reasonable about most thing in their lives just go completely nuts over guns. People generally don't do this with other hobbies.

Not inherent to guns, IMO, but when you consider the NRA's change in tack and their connection to Russia, it seems like one could potentially make a case for the rise in guns-as-lifestyle-accessory being correlated and orchestrated.

 

[soundforbjt]

Just about every guitarist I've ever played with would like a word. And that's exactly what almost all gun collectors remind me of--someone cherishing their toys because they are cool and not because any kind of need. A guitarist no matter how famous does not need 30 or 40 guitars (most don't need more than a couple to play gigs)--not that I care, because people generally don't get killed by strangers with guitars, you just may get exposed to loud wankery that makes you cringe is all.

As far as I'm concerned, self-defense is nothing but an excuse to own toys. But it's legal, and trying to do anything about it is political suicide in exactly one country on earth, so it won't change.

Pro guitar players will carry up to 20-40 guitars on tour, usually doubles of each for “leap-frog” tours and in case of an accident.

 

[dainthomas]

I swear guns somehow rot people's brains. People that are completely reasonable about most thing in their lives just go completely nuts over guns. People generally don't do this with other hobbies.

Well, I'm an avid reader so I buy a lot of books. Like if I stopped right now, I'd probably have at least twenty years of reading material, but I'll never stop. It's definitely not reasonable.

 

[nakedfrog]

Well, I'm an avid reader so I buy a lot of books. Like if I stopped right now, I'd probably have at least twenty years of reading material, but I'll never stop. It's definitely not reasonable.

Have you taken any family photos where all of your family members are prominently brandishing books?

 

[hal2kilo]

The term <gun> enthusiasts bothers me. TBH, I do not want to know anybody who could be called one. I know, it's unrealistic. TBH, I have never seen a gun that "belonged" to anyone, OK (me included, obviously)? I mean a gun in a cop's holster doesn't "belong" to them. If anyone I have known had a gun, I never saw it. I have a friend who told me he had a gun but I never saw it.

Now, AvE on Youtube does amazing videos and I know he's gaga for some guns, he's kind of an outlier. He's super into technical stuff and he admires some guns just for their superior technical aspects.

You haven't lived until you had one work for you, self published a book about 1887-89 Winchester repeating rifle, not sure which year. Demanded to take vacation time in Cody Wyoming for the annual Winchester Museum blah blah. Oh and a narcissist. Sorry it just comes out. I don't need to revisit this shit anymore as I'm retired.

 

[Zorba]

Well, I'm an avid reader so I buy a lot of books. Like if I stopped right now, I'd probably have at least twenty years of reading material, but I'll never stop. It's definitely not reasonable.

I'm guessing your love of books doesn't make you think you should give a Penthouse Letters book to a kid.

The accumulation of guns isn't really what I meant. I just mean the idea that giving guns to kids is a good idea and that all regulations are bad.

 

[Zorba]

You haven't lived until you had one work for you, self published a book about 1887-89 Winchester repeating rifle, not sure which year. Demanded to take vacation time in Cody Wyoming for the annual Winchester Museum blah blah. Oh and a narcissist. Sorry it just comes out. I don't need to revisit this shit anymore as I'm retired.

I worked at a tiny company once where all the guys had pictures all over their walls/desktops of women in bikinis holding guns. I don't think I've every seen a sexy girl calendar of girls with guitars or books.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I worked at a tiny company once where all the guys had pictures all over their walls/desktops of women in bikinis holding guns. I don't think I've every seen a sexy girl calendar of girls with guitars or books.

Oh there's plenty with guitars. Plenty, especially Dean, Jackson, etc. Not so sure about the books though.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Gun makers marketing the JR-15 to kids an AR-15 style rifle. Should this be allowed? We know from other products there isn't a 1A issue because other products can't be marketed towards kids.

The 'JR-15,' an AR-15 rifle for kids, is being marketed again weeks after a 6-year-old shot a teacher

The JR-15 is a .22 long rifle geared toward "smaller enthusiasts," according to Wee 1 Tactical, the gunmaker who manufactures the rifles.

www.businessinsider.com

This is just disgusting and totally on brand for the gun fuckers.

 

[Pens1566]

You haven't lived until you had one work for you, self published a book about 1887-89 Winchester repeating rifle, not sure which year. Demanded to take vacation time in Cody Wyoming for the annual Winchester Museum blah blah. Oh and a narcissist. Sorry it just comes out. I don't need to revisit this shit anymore as I'm retired.

I was just in Cody. Weird weird weird town.