Should Jews (and the entire world) be worried about Christian evangelicals?

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Anyone who thinks American religious morons are anywhere near the Islamic fundamentalists is waaaay out on the fringe. I would say 5-8% would agree with you.

I dont know who you plan on voting for in two weeks, because both candidates clearly are going to go after radical muslims.

Having number doesn't imply being correct. I could counter that it is only 5-8% of the people who really think about it to see those similarities.

I don't see what the point is of your second comment. Are you somehow insinuating that I want to protect radical Muslims or further their agenda?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Anyone who thinks American religious morons are anywhere near the Islamic fundamentalists is waaaay out on the fringe. I would say 5-8% would agree with you.

I dont know who you plan on voting for in two weeks, because both candidates clearly are going to go after radical muslims.

Having number doesn't imply being correct. I could counter that it is only 5-8% of the people who really think about it to see those similarities.

I don't see what the point is of your second comment. Are you somehow insinuating that I want to protect radical Muslims or further their agenda?

By saying that they are "equal" with our relig-nuts here, you are diminishing just how much of a problem they really are.

From what I see, the driving force for the Christian church is money. Behind every Evangelical mega-church, there is some slick-talking preacher that comes on TV and asks for cash. They are basically fleecing the poor/uneducated/unlucky people that look to gawd as a crutch.

Point being, until they start strapping C4 on thier chest and walking into a crowded mall, or cutting off reporter's heads on the internet, you cant really reach the conclusion that they are equal. Sure, you can compare them, but "equal" means just that.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

Originally posted by: brandonb
I think Christians evangelicals should be more worried about Jews.

To believe that most evangelicals, born-agains or fundamentalists or the Christian right are or can be friends or allies of the Jews is a delusion. much of what the so-called "Evangelicals" are attempting to force on America has no basis in the Bible or in the teachings of Jesus the Christ.

Many (not all) Fundamentalists see a restored-to-Biblical-borders Israel as a key piece in the Second Coming of Christ puzzle and will therefore support any steps away from peace in the region, no matter how aggressive. They see the Mideast's "final conflict" as not only inevitable, but desirable, as it is the harbinger of Christ's return. At its culmination, standing on the precipice of destruction, "unsaved" (not converted to Christian) Jews will be given one last chance at redemption. If they refuse to renounce their Jewish faith, they will be slaughtered and cast "into a lake of fire."

The temptation to dismiss such macabre superstition is understandable ("Why should Jews care if Christians think we're all going to hell?"). However, these people very much see themselves as God's "agents" in this affair, which accounts for (as one example) their backing of the invasion of Iraq. Anything they can do to "stir the cauldron" in the Middle East, as far as they are concerned, is justified as it accellerates the pace: "The sooner we can get the region to explode, the sooner Jesus returns"

Now how does one suppose they will view their own role in the strange, but in their view literal and Prophetic writings which speak of rivers of Jewish blood? Will they content themselves with being mere spectators as an angry God unleashes this wrath? Or will they once again claim the authority to act as His "agents" and do the dirty work for Him?

History is riddled with examples of the latter - slaughter "in the name of God."

In a nutshell, many conservative fundamentalist American Christians feel that the Jew, must die in order to pave the way for the return of their Lord. Many of them can and will be led to pitch in and help bring about that end when (in their mind) the time comes. This bed-fellowship between Israel and her supporters, and the "Christian Right" is not only a strange one, but a highly dangerous one.

Congratulations, you have completely invented a new dogma which until now hasn't existed, and does so now only in your own mind. You've created the fantastic equivalent to the belief that Jesus rode dinosaurs.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JD50
Wait, didn't Obama attend a radical christian church for the last 20 years?

How many radical churches do you know that pack 10,000 into the congregation every Sunday?

I was going to stay out of this one, but I thought I should mention that Palin's church in Wasilla has hosted the anti-Semitic group "Jews for Jesus" with Sarah in the congregation.

Should the Jews be worried? Let's just say that, if I were a Jew, I would always be worried about fundamentalists of any stripe.

See my post at the top of the page. I'll worry about them when the Messiah shows up

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

Originally posted by: brandonb
I think Christians evangelicals should be more worried about Jews.

To believe that most evangelicals, born-agains or fundamentalists or the Christian right are or can be friends or allies of the Jews is a delusion. much of what the so-called "Evangelicals" are attempting to force on America has no basis in the Bible or in the teachings of Jesus the Christ.

Many (not all) Fundamentalists see a restored-to-Biblical-borders Israel as a key piece in the Second Coming of Christ puzzle and will therefore support any steps away from peace in the region, no matter how aggressive. They see the Mideast's "final conflict" as not only inevitable, but desirable, as it is the harbinger of Christ's return. At its culmination, standing on the precipice of destruction, "unsaved" (not converted to Christian) Jews will be given one last chance at redemption. If they refuse to renounce their Jewish faith, they will be slaughtered and cast "into a lake of fire."

The temptation to dismiss such macabre superstition is understandable ("Why should Jews care if Christians think we're all going to hell?"). However, these people very much see themselves as God's "agents" in this affair, which accounts for (as one example) their backing of the invasion of Iraq. Anything they can do to "stir the cauldron" in the Middle East, as far as they are concerned, is justified as it accellerates the pace: "The sooner we can get the region to explode, the sooner Jesus returns"

Now how does one suppose they will view their own role in the strange, but in their view literal and Prophetic writings which speak of rivers of Jewish blood? Will they content themselves with being mere spectators as an angry God unleashes this wrath? Or will they once again claim the authority to act as His "agents" and do the dirty work for Him?

History is riddled with examples of the latter - slaughter "in the name of God."

In a nutshell, many conservative fundamentalist American Christians feel that the Jew, must die in order to pave the way for the return of their Lord. Many of them can and will be led to pitch in and help bring about that end when (in their mind) the time comes. This bed-fellowship between Israel and her supporters, and the "Christian Right" is not only a strange one, but a highly dangerous one.

Congratulations, you have completely invented a new dogma which until now hasn't existed, and does so now only in your own mind. You've created the fantastic equivalent to the belief that Jesus rode dinosaurs.

Daddy will you buy me a Jesus pony?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

Originally posted by: brandonb
I think Christians evangelicals should be more worried about Jews.

To believe that most evangelicals, born-agains or fundamentalists or the Christian right are or can be friends or allies of the Jews is a delusion. much of what the so-called "Evangelicals" are attempting to force on America has no basis in the Bible or in the teachings of Jesus the Christ.

Many (not all) Fundamentalists see a restored-to-Biblical-borders Israel as a key piece in the Second Coming of Christ puzzle and will therefore support any steps away from peace in the region, no matter how aggressive. They see the Mideast's "final conflict" as not only inevitable, but desirable, as it is the harbinger of Christ's return. At its culmination, standing on the precipice of destruction, "unsaved" (not converted to Christian) Jews will be given one last chance at redemption. If they refuse to renounce their Jewish faith, they will be slaughtered and cast "into a lake of fire."

The temptation to dismiss such macabre superstition is understandable ("Why should Jews care if Christians think we're all going to hell?"). However, these people very much see themselves as God's "agents" in this affair, which accounts for (as one example) their backing of the invasion of Iraq. Anything they can do to "stir the cauldron" in the Middle East, as far as they are concerned, is justified as it accellerates the pace: "The sooner we can get the region to explode, the sooner Jesus returns"

Now how does one suppose they will view their own role in the strange, but in their view literal and Prophetic writings which speak of rivers of Jewish blood? Will they content themselves with being mere spectators as an angry God unleashes this wrath? Or will they once again claim the authority to act as His "agents" and do the dirty work for Him?

History is riddled with examples of the latter - slaughter "in the name of God."

In a nutshell, many conservative fundamentalist American Christians feel that the Jew, must die in order to pave the way for the return of their Lord. Many of them can and will be led to pitch in and help bring about that end when (in their mind) the time comes. This bed-fellowship between Israel and her supporters, and the "Christian Right" is not only a strange one, but a highly dangerous one.

Congratulations, you have completely invented a new dogma which until now hasn't existed, and does so now only in your own mind. You've created the fantastic equivalent to the belief that Jesus rode dinosaurs.

Daddy will you buy me a Jesus pony?

Naughty boy, only if you go out and kill all the Jews like Pat Robertson keeps telling you to do.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Rike

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I'd be more worried about Iran and its dream of getting a nuke.

A lot of Muslims believe that the missing Iman (or whatever he is called) will return after some great calamity. Perhaps a nuke going off in Israel will bring that about.

As far as I'm concerned our evangelicals are just as crazy as the middle east's greatest fundies. . . .

Riiiight. Lots of suicide Christian bombers running around the states these days. Not to mention all of the fundamentalist Christian political groups breaking off parts of their own country to rule with military force under biblical law. Yup, I see it everyday.

bombing abortion clinics?

oh right, they don't blow themselves up to do that, though. They're bigger cowards.

You are going to compare a few nuts bombing abortion clinics, to a whole group of people that are bent on the destruction of the Jews and the West?

You need to do a little more reading on the Jihad movement.

so you admit that there exists fringe groups among fundamentalist Christians that poses a legitimate threat to the ave law-abiding American?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Rike

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I'd be more worried about Iran and its dream of getting a nuke.

A lot of Muslims believe that the missing Iman (or whatever he is called) will return after some great calamity. Perhaps a nuke going off in Israel will bring that about.

As far as I'm concerned our evangelicals are just as crazy as the middle east's greatest fundies. . . .

Riiiight. Lots of suicide Christian bombers running around the states these days. Not to mention all of the fundamentalist Christian political groups breaking off parts of their own country to rule with military force under biblical law. Yup, I see it everyday.

bombing abortion clinics?

oh right, they don't blow themselves up to do that, though. They're bigger cowards.

You are going to compare a few nuts bombing abortion clinics, to a whole group of people that are bent on the destruction of the Jews and the West?

You need to do a little more reading on the Jihad movement.

so you admit that there exists fringe groups among fundamentalist Christians that poses a legitimate threat to the ave law-abiding American?

Oh absolutely. But I also can distinguish the severity of the threat between groups.

There are even fringe environmental groups that are threats. (Looking at you, ELF).

 

[mect]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Oh absolutely. But I also can distinguish the severity of the threat between groups.

There are even fringe environmental groups that are threats. (Looking at you, ELF).

This is the problem with the posts in this thread. People are creating two separate definitions of fundamentalist christians, one group to make the population appear large and then a second group to make the population seem extreme, and then trying to make the two groups one so that it appears threatening. These people are every bit as bad as the fundamentalists who fear the atheists and think they need to be kept out of power because they will try to remove religious freedoms, and they use the exact same strategy in trying to make all atheists appear intolerant of religion. They take quotes and actions of a small population and then project those actions and statements onto the whole population to make the argument that we need to fear atheists.