Should I wait for the gtx 8**?

[Sam60I]

Hey guys

I'm new in the world of hardware and the only generation of graphic card I know are the GTX 7** and the r9 2**. But this is going to change since the GTX 8** are soon going to come out. As I have never experienced to release of a new generation of GPU, I have no idea what to except.

I was planning to get my fully new rig as soon as all the components I want will be available, but now I'm considering to wait until the GTX 8** comes out.

I have an old graphic card, an hd6850 something that I could use in wait for a newer one. It's starting to have some trouble running 2012/2013 games with old broken 900p monitor, so with the newer games and a 1080p it will be pretty bad.

But I'm scared of getting a new graphic card when the newer gen is so close.

So here's my question, from what you guys have experienced and from the few leaks on the new gen, do you think I should wait before buying a new graphic card? Would it make it worth to play at 30fps.

Have a great day and thanks for your time.

 

[alcoholbob]

I would wait if you plan on dropping $1000+ on the GTX Titan II which looks like a real beast.

If you are waiting on the GTX 880, it's been rumored to be about 10%-15% faster than the GTX 780Ti. It's about 77% the size of GTX 780 and Maxwell archetecture is about 40% more efficient, so 10-15% faster sounds pretty reasonable. Four months isn't that long to wait for the card but don't expect anything ground shattering with the card. It'll be a good card for 1080p, but for higher resolutions you might want to go multiple cards or get the Titan II.

The Titan II might be as fast as GTX 780 SLI though based on the sheer size of the chip.

 

[Attic]

Definately wait and hang on a bit longer. If the 880 doesn't satisfy you, you will have a cheaper box of options regardless once it is released.

But i'd say pull the trigger on the 880 if it slots in where expected and it has you a bit excited. 20-30% improvement over 780ti.

 

[weevilone]

The decision to pick up an 880 will basically come down to whether it's priced properly for the gain, in comparison to prices on last gen cards that might still be available.

-Captain Obvious

 

[3DVagabond]

The decision to pick up an 880 will basically come down to whether it's priced properly for the gain, in comparison to prices on last gen cards that might still be available.

-Captain Obvious

The only way to find that out though is by waiting. :sneaky:

Maybe we'll see it in August. It's worth waiting that long.

 

[Sam60I]

Thanks for all answers guys.

I know it's a hard question and the only true way to know would be to wait as 3D vagabond said, but if you were in my stead what would you do?

I'm not sure if I'll be able to get a gtx 880 sadly. I think the GTX 870 would more be in the price range I could afford. What do you exact the gtx 870 and 880's prices to be? What was the price of the gtx 780 when it came out?

 

[Fastx]

The only way to find that out though is by waiting. :sneaky:

Maybe we'll see it in August. It's worth waiting that long.

Looks like it could be more like October/November

July 22nd, 2014 at 12:06 am - Author Anton Shilov
]Nvidia Corp. plans to officially launch its next-generation flagship graphics offering this October or November, according to a media report. If the information is correct, then the firm will have a chance to boost its shipments this holiday season.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...tx-870-gtx-880-in-october-or-november-report/

 

[RussianSensation]

I would wait if you plan on dropping $1000+ on the GTX Titan II which looks like a real beast.

If you are waiting on the GTX 880, it's been rumored to be about 10%-15% faster than the GTX 780Ti. It's about 77% the size of GTX 780 and Maxwell archetecture is about 40% more efficient, so 10-15% faster sounds pretty reasonable. Four months isn't that long to wait for the card but don't expect anything ground shattering with the card. It'll be a good card for 1080p, but for higher resolutions you might want to go multiple cards or get the Titan II.

The Titan II might be as fast as GTX 780 SLI though based on the sheer size of the chip.

Maxwell is 90-100% greater in performance per watt vs Kepler not 40%. If you meant 40% for 889, I think you assumed that the 256-bit bus would seriously bottleneck the design?

880 GM204 is expected to be 25-35% faster than 780Ti not 10-15%. Also, many expect price of $500-550 not $700, granted 780Ti can already be had for $600.

OP, you should wait not only because of the GPU but to see the final pricing on DDR4/X99 chipset and i7 5820K. If 5820K can overclock to 4.5Ghz and the price difference is not more than $100 for it over 4790K, while DDR4 doesn't cost more than $50 over DDR3, then it is a strong consideration for a platform that will last 5 years. Alternatively, i5 4690K is a food option too for a smaller budget gaming rig.

On the GPU side, I would wait for sure as prices of NV cards right now are unreasonable. $600 for 780Ti when aftermarket 290 is $340-350. Also, most of this year's games start coming out Sept/October so not much point rushing a GPU upgrade now especially with your monitor.

 

[3DVagabond]

Looks like it could be more like October/November


http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...tx-870-gtx-880-in-october-or-november-report/

I read the original story. I'm talking about the latest nVidia thing that's been going around. Can't find it now.

Edit: Found it: http://www.nvidia.de/object/gamescom2014-de.html

It says Geforce GTX on it, so they might be hinting at a new GPU. Of course they did the same type of thing last year and there was no GPU releases. It could be nothing more than them getting their brand out their while promoting themselves at Gamescon. Wirth the small wait though to see, IMO.

 

[BrightCandle]

Graphics cards typically follow a certain release schedule, we tend to get a new architecture on a new process, then afterwards about a year later we get a refresh which improves performance a little bit and then the cycle repeats on the new process/architecture. Right now we are about 10-12 months after the refresh cards came out (780, 290s) depending on which card you measure from. The refreshes brought a bit more performance this time than usual because the initial cards on 28nm were much smaller than the usual high end first releases. We don't know if that will be the case at 20nm or not.

There are rumours that the 800 series of cards will be on 28nm, but nothing concrete. That would be a first, but with 20nm rumoured to be a year late its possible we will have refresh 2 this year with a new architecture and a new process next year with the refresh for that architecture.

The big improvements come with the process improvements, its that which doubles the number of transistors that the GPU can use and where all the additional performance comes from. Tweaking the architecture typically brings features and only a little extra performance, but with the same number of transistors they have to make some aspect perform less well to make another area perform better.

So based on that my personal opinion is the best time to buy is with the big jumps in performance, the process/architecture changes. Refresh to refresh gets a potentially more refined card but you are 1/2 speed for a year while you await the refresh. Buying refresh cards then getting the process/architecture cards ends up costing a lot more, with the refresh cards typically not being all that much quicker than the previous cards.

 

[Eileenfurst]

GTX Titan II Work Great For Me.

 

[3DVagabond]

Hell! Who cares about 880. THIS from Tweaktown crediting S/A.

NVIDIA will reportedly launch its GeForce GTX 990 in early 2015

Now that we've passed into the second half of 2014, we should expect some new GPUs in the coming months. But what is more exciting, is what is coming in the first half of 2015 according to a new report from SemiAccurate.

We should expect NVIDIA to skip the 20nm process completely, moving directly from 28nm into 16nm. This is just a rumor right now, but if it ends up happening, 2015 is going to be one of the most exciting years for GPUs in a very long time. This would see NVIDIA release the GeForce GTX 990 under the Maxwell architecture, from the GM204B core.

If NVIDIA does skip the 20nm process, we should see some seriously fast GPUs appearing, with much lower than expected power consumption. The core count should also be lower when compared to the GeForce GTX 700 series, as Maxwell is a much more efficient architecture compared to Kepler. So before we have the GTX 800 series, we're already foaming at the mouth about the GTX 900 series. It won't stop there, as we should see NVIDIA unveil the GeForce 1000 series sometime in the next 18-24 months, too.

 

[guskline]

3D Vagabond, That's funny! We can wait forever for the newest model and the day after we buy it something newer comes out so waiting can be a "forever game".

In Sam 60I's case, it sounds like he is in no rush and hasn't purchased all his components. BrightCandle makes excellent observations (he really helped me in watercooling also!)

I would wait until October 1, 2014 and buy the best you can afford at that time.

 

[Mand]

Hell! Who cares about 880. THIS from Tweaktown crediting S/A.

Total junk.

TSMC is nowhere near ready enough for 16nm to hit in early 2015. Late 2015, maybe. 2016, far more likely. S/A...

To the OP, I am waiting for it despite having an ancient rig I've been wanting to update for months. It's always been just barely close enough, and that hasn't changed. At the very least I recommend waiting until Gamescom to see what all the fuss is about.

 

[3DVagabond]

Total junk.

TSMC is nowhere near ready enough for 16nm to hit in early 2015. Late 2015, maybe. 2016, far more likely. S/A...

To the OP, I am waiting for it despite having an ancient rig I've been wanting to update for months. It's always been just barely close enough, and that hasn't changed. At the very least I recommend waiting until Gamescom to see what all the fuss is about.

It was supposed to be funny.

 

[Mand]

 

[RussianSensation]

It was supposed to be funny.

There were some bursts of performance from AMD/ATI and NV in a very short period of time:

x1800xt ---> x1900xt/x
7800GTX 256 ---> 7800GTX 512
4890 ---> 5870

I think the next 2 to 2.5 years will see 2-3 jumps in performance due to process changes rather than 1 large 50-70% jump, followed by a typical 10-20% refresh. I decided to focus on the games not the hardware for next gen as my 7970s are more than fast enough for me. Getting tired of upgrading the GPUs hoping and that next gen PC games are around the corner. I'll just upgrade when they are actually out not just because a next gen GPU is out. At this pace I might wait long enough for 4K and Pascal with all the Ubisoft style PC game ports dumbing down.

 

[Sam60I]

Yeah I think I will wait because it would also allow me to put more money on the CPU and get an I7 4790k instead of the I5 4690k.

The only things that I'm worried of is the price of the future card. I think I could spend up 450$. What do you think I could get for that price? The Gtx 880 or the gtx 870? Were the old card overpriced when they came out?

 

[BrightCandle]

Performance only gets cheaper.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Maxwell is 90-100% greater in performance per watt vs Kepler not 40%. If you meant 40% for 889, I think you assumed that the 256-bit bus would seriously bottleneck the design?

Maxwell made an insane amount of difference in battery life on my Clevo w230ss.

 

[bryanW1995]

Maxwell made an insane amount of difference in battery life on my Clevo w230ss.

Huh? This is a discussion about a desktop rig, not a laptop.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Huh? This is a discussion about a desktop rig, not a laptop.

True, but the same design ideas are probably implemented in their desktop counterparts to increase power efficiency.

 

[Phynaz]

Never wait. There's always something better around the corner.

 

[mkmitch]

Don't wait buy now. In two years something better will be out then what's coming up next.

 

[avx81]

Never wait. There's always something better around the corner.

I would usually agree except the 800 series are probably going to be released fairly soon and its going to be a long time before the following generation are going to be released. I would probably wait a little bit longer. It's not like we are talking about waiting a full year here. The next line up of cards might be as close as 2 maybe 3 months away.