check the forums out at Rage3d and see what the people who have are saying. There are quite a few informative posts there. They now have a lock on the amount of downloads there as they have exceeded the amount they were allowed by eight times(hehe) There are posts about that too. I have the latest WHQL 5035(?) and I know i can get better performance out of my system but it might not be the drviers. I am new to W2K and know I still have a lot of tweaking to do. In the Q3 127 timedemo127 I get 29 fps at 800x600 w\o sound and everything maxed(I get over 1200 with W98SE same config). There has got to be a way to close the gap a little!