Gamingphreek
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150... ATI is shooting themselves in the foot. The XL basically killed all sales for the Pro. On top of that they have the 850 variants. Now they have the NU, and the GT.
-Kevin
I don't know Kevin- if he's talking AGP the cheapest newegg has a X800XL is $252.80, the $200 seems fair to me.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...bop=and&description=X800XL&Order=price
That X800XT PE for $229 is the deal of the lot if you can get it.
Yes much slower than a 5900xt for example. Personally if the price is right any card is good if you have a use for it.
Gamingphreek
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Please point out to me where i said it wasn't!?!? Im not stupid, i know full well that my card isn't fast, and was never too quick.
Ronn is just mindlessly insulting me, because he obviously doesn't have a clue about video cards.
THe pro was a good deal early on (Before the XL, GT, (ATI)GT, XTPE deals need i go on). However now it is HORRIBLE price/performance wise. Like i said, ATI simply walked all over themselves.
-Kevin
blckgrffn
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Damn right it is. Kevin, what do you have against this card? It is much better than the 6800AGP in that you have 256 megs of VRAM, games like FEAR require this.
The x800 Pro sucked at $400, yes. At $200? Grow up a little, it is the best AGP card for that price, period.
Nat
I think Gamingphreek is delusional if he thinks the 199 tag for a X800 Pro is bad. Price/performance? Methinks you should look at the #'s again. Other than the X800PTE offered in teh same deal, I think this is about as good as it gets Price/Performance.
Gamingphreek
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I didn't say it was bad price performance at 200. I said at current prices it its! At 200 it is reasonable, but i think you could still do better.
And for 200 you can just as easily drop another $50 and get the much better 6800GT. Additionally, that X800XTPE deal for 229 is also an example.
-Kevin
And for 200 you can just as easily drop another $50 and get the much better 6800GT. Additionally, that X800XTPE deal for 229 is also an example.
-Kevin
blckgrffn
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He already said he only had $200, and this is the one that is in stock and ready to ship now. It has the full 3 year ATI warranty that is tough to beat. You can buy it directly from them for $200, which makes it the *current price*. The x800xt pe may ship before Christmas, maybe not, at this rate no one has a real good idea.
In any event, if your budget is $200, the x800 Pro from ATI is the way to go.
Nat
In any event, if your budget is $200, the x800 Pro from ATI is the way to go.
Nat
Gamingphreek
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No! He wan't to know if he should preorder the card for 200. Instead of preordering an already released card, dont preorder... in that time save another 50 bucks and get a far superior card.
You are arguing a moot point blckgrffn. Additionally, he could AT LEAST scroung up another $30 and buy the X800XTPE right below it.
-Kevin
You are arguing a moot point blckgrffn. Additionally, he could AT LEAST scroung up another $30 and buy the X800XTPE right below it.
-Kevin
His original link was to that...
Also I swear the X800 pro and X800 XL have very similar performance at stock speeds.
Kev...It may not be a case of "scrounging up" another ~$30 bucks but more like putting a "cap" on the $$$$ the guy wants to spend on a graphics card.
IMO...anyone who says they "can't" spend more than "X" dollars is really saying they want the item, but are unwilling to spend anymore on it.
I HAD a limit of $200 for a graphics card but broke-down with the X800XT PE for ~$225.00 only because I could use 2 new AGP cards now (upgrades to my 9800 Pro's) and I'm pretty sure this card will still sell for ~$190-$200 in 6-12 months from now.
So in my mind...I'm only paying ~$35 more (each) than I really want to pay, but I'll get the enjoyment of ~1 years worth of visually pleasing gaming
. Cheap entertainment I say;-)If I'm reading your post right you have your cards confused? The card for $200 is the x800pro which is in stock. The x800xtpe is the one that he will need to pre-order for $229.
Gamingphreek
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A cap at 200 dollars when an extra $25 will get you 1.5x more performance is stupid. If he listens to us he can wait a week for a paycheck or something and get the far superior card. It is ludicrous to recommend that he buy the Pro for 200 when the XT is 229.Originally posted by: Budarow
Kev...It may not be a case of "scrounging up" another ~$30 bucks but more like putting a "cap" on the $$$$ the guy wants to spend on a graphics card.
IMO...anyone who says they "can't" spend more than "X" dollars is really saying they want the item, but are unwilling to spend anymore on it.
I HAD a limit of $200 for a graphics card but broke-down with the X800XT PE for ~$225.00 only because I could use 2 new AGP cards now (upgrades to my 9800 Pro's) and I'm pretty sure this card will still sell for ~$190-$200 in 6-12 months from now.
So in my mind...I'm only paying ~$35 more (each) than I really want to pay, but I'll get the enjoyment of ~1 years worth of visually pleasing gaming
-Kevin
blckgrffn
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EXCEPT HE CAN ACTUALLY GET THE PRO.
If you know anything about the XT PE deal you know that ATI can cancel it any time between now and whenever the decide to ship it. Plus, at least 2000 people are ahead of him when it comes to actually getting one of those XT PEs. In any case, there is no ship date for them. If he wants that card now, he can just order it. Addtionally, there is a coupon over on FW, I believe that takes 5% off, basically giving him free shipping.
If you know anything about the XT PE deal you know that ATI can cancel it any time between now and whenever the decide to ship it. Plus, at least 2000 people are ahead of him when it comes to actually getting one of those XT PEs. In any case, there is no ship date for them. If he wants that card now, he can just order it. Addtionally, there is a coupon over on FW, I believe that takes 5% off, basically giving him free shipping.
Gamingphreek
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Then save another $50 and get the 6800GT which is also far superior than the Pro. This is a no brainer. 1.5x performance for $25 or $50!?
-Kevin
-Kevin
Agreed. You can set a cap at $XXX, but if a relatively small amount of money more will give you a substantial increase in performance, you should do it. Obviously Perry is on a budget, so he's looking to maximize his performance to dollar ratio. The extra $25 (there's an available 5% off coupon out there) for the XT PE over the pro will be well spent unless he needs the card ASAP.
The X800 Pro is not a bad card, just a bad deal compared to the X800XT PE.
Gamingphreek
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blckgrffn
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I agree there with you Creig. If those XT PE's come out in a reasonable fashion, not spending the extra $25 is pretty dumb. Saying that you are going to gain 50% from GT or XL is just plain wrong, however. 20% from the GT maybe in Doom3, and with 5-10% easily on everything else at reasonable settings (getting 25 FPS instead of 10 at 16*12 8xAA 16xAF in some game isn't really applicable). 6800 GTs new are easily over $260 from vendors without the same quality warranty as the ATI. The XL is also right up there, especially on the AGP side. Spending $60 for another 5-10% performance is the truly stupid thing to do here.
Nat
Nat
I've thought about this too, blckgrffn. But I've come to the conclusion that ATI MUST have an adequate supply of them on hand or plan to substitute with X850XT PEs should supply of the X800XT PE run out.
The ATI store still shows the X800XT PE as available for preorder and they MUST be keeping an eye on the number of orders coming in for it after having it up for nearly two weeks now. If the number of orders was at/exceeding the number of available cards you'd think they would've pulled the card from the site.
I have a feeling they're ridding themselves of excess cards in anticipation of the R500 lineup release. Once they're out, ATI might have a tough time selling their current supply of X800 cards so they're dumping them now while they have a chance.
blckgrffn
Diamond Member
Yep, we talked about this in my X800 Pro hot deal post, and I agree with you, although ATI might just be seeing how many preorders they can get so they have plenty of extra room to dump their overstock. That is still a possibility. In the end, they could ship zero cards from that Pre Order should they choose. If they do that, they will undoubtedly be pretty unpopular, but really, ATI hasn't been doing anything lately to get back into the good graces of enthusiasts will their recent history of late launches, etc.
If they are waiting until or just after the 520 rollout, then they may not ship until late September/October, or perhaps even later. I know I don't like waiting 2 months for something
That said, as soon as someone recieves theirs, I am going to go put in my CC information, no problem I just don't want to around Christmas get a $229 charge on my Visa and realize that I am getting an AGP card in the mail I know, I could always cancel it, refuse it when it arrives, etc. It just seems safer to wait! Besides, if I am going to spend that much, I will personally probably scrape up enough to go with a 7800GT in a couple months or possibly one of ATI's next gen cards.
Anyway, we can all agree that at $200, if he needs it now, then this X800Pro is the best at that price point. If he can wait, he should.
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If they are waiting until or just after the 520 rollout, then they may not ship until late September/October, or perhaps even later. I know I don't like waiting 2 months for something
That said, as soon as someone recieves theirs, I am going to go put in my CC information, no problem
I just don't want to around Christmas get a $229 charge on my Visa and realize that I am getting an AGP card in the mail I know, I could always cancel it, refuse it when it arrives, etc. It just seems safer to wait! Besides, if I am going to spend that much, I will personally probably scrape up enough to go with a 7800GT in a couple months or possibly one of ATI's next gen cards.Anyway, we can all agree that at $200, if he needs it now, then this X800Pro is the best at that price point. If he can wait, he should.
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Let me put it this way, if i spend $100 i am spending too much seeing as how i am currently unemployed and have a 6yr old child to feed. Nonetheless i have decided to spend twice that on a videocard. I've also decided to sell my 9500 pro ahead of time to put the funds toward this new card which means if the PE doesn't show up i'll be playing doom1 on a 4mb pci graphics adapter(if it will even play) until it does and my girlfriend won't be playing the sims2(then i'm really hung). Are we getting the picture now?
I do want the PE even though it is way, way, way to far beyond my budget so basically i've decided that if it meant waiting a short while i would preorder the PE but if it meant waiting more than a few weeks or a month it probably wouldn't be worth my while.
BTW i just heard from someone else that ordered one of these that the invioce said 3-4 weeks. Damn this is a heard decision to make.
I do want the PE even though it is way, way, way to far beyond my budget so basically i've decided that if it meant waiting a short while i would preorder the PE but if it meant waiting more than a few weeks or a month it probably wouldn't be worth my while.
BTW i just heard from someone else that ordered one of these that the invioce said 3-4 weeks. Damn this is a heard decision to make.
:brokenheart:
Yes you are right, an x800pro under any circumstances is just unacceptable.
I myself would not turn one down (just too cheap to pay for it), as the x800xt pe I ordered is not showing any signs of actually coming and am quite sure it would be an upgrade for me.
I am willing to "wager" a donut and coffee (big gambler eh;-) that 20k-30k (possibly 50k to 60k) of these cards will ship before the end of August (a LOT more of the PE's verses the Pro's).
In addition, I'm VERY confident 99% of these cards will be brand new cards manufactured by ATI in July/August of this year.
My reasoning?
In preparation of the release of R5xx cards on ~August 26, I believe ATI sold off their excess inventory of:
1. the "bottom of barrel" cards (X300, X600, and X700) to OEMs months ago;
2. the truely "middle of road" cards (X800 128MBer, X800 256MBs and toss in the X800XT AIWs) during July with the $30-$75 MIR program;
3. the "upper middle card" (X800XL) has been a steady seller due to it's great price to performance ratio verses the 6800GT (i.e., there was never a supply glut); and, finally...
it's time to get rid of all excess inventory of components by building X800 Pro's and X800XT PE's while improving the financial numbers for the quarter which ends on August 31, 2005.
Just my OPINION of course
In addition, I'm VERY confident 99% of these cards will be brand new cards manufactured by ATI in July/August of this year.
My reasoning?
In preparation of the release of R5xx cards on ~August 26, I believe ATI sold off their excess inventory of:
1. the "bottom of barrel" cards (X300, X600, and X700) to OEMs months ago;
2. the truely "middle of road" cards (X800 128MBer, X800 256MBs and toss in the X800XT AIWs) during July with the $30-$75 MIR program;
3. the "upper middle card" (X800XL) has been a steady seller due to it's great price to performance ratio verses the 6800GT (i.e., there was never a supply glut); and, finally...
it's time to get rid of all excess inventory of components by building X800 Pro's and X800XT PE's while improving the financial numbers for the quarter which ends on August 31, 2005.
Just my OPINION of course
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